POLITICS - Importance of voting for a President!!!

[Dastook]

Four judges dissented: Breyer, Stevens, Souter and Ginsburg. Say what you want about Bush but I am sure glad Roberts and Alito are there. Thanks to them and Thomas, Kennedy and Scalia.

[Blaine]

Yep..........

It was 5-4

Go ahead and split the vote and let YoBama in and that will change.

[Ysabel Kid]

+100000000000000.... how many zeroes will this page hold?

I don't like McCain, but I know what kind of judges Obama will nominate. Better a remote chance than no chance at all!

[Old Ironsights]

Guess which judges are most likely to retire/die in the next 4 years:

Stevens (88), and Ginsburg (75).

Even if they are replaced by Clones of Hillary it wouldn't change the current dynamic.

It is possible that Kennedy (72) or Scalia (71) might croak, but it is also just as stastically likely that Bryer (69) or Souter (68) will keel over.

And if and unless Kennedy &/or Scalia go, it really won't matter who is POTUS - since McChurian won't pick someone that the Lib Controlled Congress won't accept/hand deliver to him for nomination.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Guess which judges are most likely to retire/die in the next 4 years:

Stevens (88), and Ginsburg (75).

Even if they are replaced by Clones of Hillary it wouldn't change the current dynamic.

It is possible that Kennedy (72) or Scalia (71) might croak, but it is also just as stastically likely that Bryer (69) or Souter (68) will keel over.

And if and unless Kennedy &/or Scalia go, it really won't matter who is POTUS - since McChurian won't pick someone that the Lib Controlled Congress won't accept/hand deliver to him for nomination.

OI,
On this one you are dead wrong.
The dynamics will definately change even if the SCOTUS appointment turn out like you say. This is because the potus party in power will also appoint many to lower courts. If that happens the SCOTUS will never hear any of the important cases because they will be blocked in the lower courts.
McCain is not my first choice. I have no doubt he is not to be trusted but if he defies the party that got him there, he won't get anything done. The party in the White house will shape the courts from the Supreme down and it will have lasting effects much longer than just 8 years.

So, for those of you that plan to vote for Ron Paul, just stay home and save the gas if you want to do something constructive.

[FWiedner]

McCain is a social liberal, and will appoint left leaning or centrist judges if he is elected.

[bunklocoempire]

So, for those of you that plan to vote for Ron Paul, just stay home and save the gas if you want to do something constructive.

Had to bring Ron into it.... .... and mention gas in the same sentence! Is it okay to vote for Chuck Baldwin?


Mr. Clemens:
"Irreverence is the champion of liberty."

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."

"Loyalty is a word which has worked vast harm; for it has been made to trick men into being "loyal" to a thousand iniquities, whereas the true loyalty should have been to themselves--in which case there would have ensured a rebellion, and the throwing off of that deceptive yoke."

"Independence .... is loyalty to one's best self and principles, and this is often disloyalty to the general idols and fetishes."

"It is curious--curious that physical courage should be so common in the world, and moral courage so rare."

"Men's minds are too ready to excuse guilt in themselves."

"The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!"



"I don't like McCain, but.............." I don't choose the lesser of two evils in my daily life, why would I vote that way? Why would any?

Bunkloco (not a Loyalist anymore, and it's mighty fine!)

[donw]

IMO it ain't gonna make a hill of beans worth of difference who's elected prez.

WE...i say again...

we have to make the difference...

indifference, apathy, being lax or whatever won't keep us ahead. the diane feinsteins, barbara boxers, frank laudenbergs, ted kennedy's , chuck shummers and their likes are going to be more vicious than ever now. they're going to begin an offensive that would make tet seem like a walk in the park.

i see the second amendment foundation has already filed suit against the city of chicago about their prohibitive gun laws; it's time for gun owners to go on the attack!

write, call, fax your "representatives" and demand, with respect, action against anti-gun legislation. i say to email also, but if you're like me; email to a legislator, it seems like it just disappears into cyberspace to never been seen or heard about again.

sue every sheriff who refuses to give a CCW with no legimate reason...

sue every town council/council member who tries to introduce anti-gun ordinances...

sue every chief of police who enforces absurd anti-gun laws...

sue every "civil rights" leader (jesse jackson, al sharpton come to mind for some strange reason) who tries to champions anti-gun legislation...

i'm sure there are many other ways to "go on the offensive" and this list can and should be added to and passed on to other forums...

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

McCain is a social liberal, and will appoint left leaning or centrist judges if he is elected.

I think you are wrong about this. That's not how politics works. He will have to point judges that lean toward the party line. That's because those are the people that brought him to the dance. That's how it works. Not all of these appointment will be conservative leaning for sure but you can bet your butt the majority will be more conservative than the judges that will be appointed by the Dems.

I too don't want to vote for him , but there is much more at stake here than just who is president.

[FWiedner]

McCain is a social liberal, and will appoint left leaning or centrist judges if he is elected.

I think you are wrong about this. That's not how politics works. He will have to point judges that lean toward the party line. That's because those are the people that brought him to the dance. That's how it works. Not all of these appointment will be conservative leaning for sure but you can bet your butt the majority will be more conservative than the judges that will be appointed by the Dems.

I too don't want to vote for him , but there is much more at stake here than just who is president.

I'm not tying to drag this out into some sort of contrarian debate or tit-for-tat, it's just that my opinion is that the party line leans in exactly that direction. The people who brought him to the dance are neo-conservatives who want left-leaning and centrist judges because that is waht they belive in. They do not believe in conservative principles. McCain is the nominee of the Republican party because he represents the erroded values of that party.

If you vote for him you believe in and support amnesty for illegal aliens, you support and believe in oppressing society to "stop global warming" and implementing a world wide "carbon tax", you support and believe in a new Assault Weapons Ban, you support and believe in feeding American children to a 100 year war in the middle east.

There is no conservative candidate for president, and it is false hope to expect either of the current major party nominees to exhibit conservative values, including selecting conservative or nearly conservative judges.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

McCain is a social liberal, and will appoint left leaning or centrist judges if he is elected.

I think you are wrong about this. That's not how politics works. He will have to point judges that lean toward the party line. That's because those are the people that brought him to the dance. That's how it works. Not all of these appointment will be conservative leaning for sure but you can bet your butt the majority will be more conservative than the judges that will be appointed by the Dems.

I too don't want to vote for him , but there is much more at stake here than just who is president.

I'm not tying to drag this out into some sort of contrarian debate or tit-for-tat, it's just that my opinion is that the party line leans in exactly that direction. The people who brought him to the dance are neo-conservatives who want left-leaning and centrist judges because that is waht they belive in. They do not believe in conservative principles. McCain is the nominee of the Republican party because he represents the erroded values of that party.

If you vote for him you believe in and support amnesty for illegal aliens, you support and believe in oppressing society to "stop global warming" and implementing a world wide "carbon tax", you support and believe in a new Assault Weapons Ban, you support and believe in feeding American children to a 100 year war in the middle east.

There is no conservative candidate for president, and it is false hope to expect either of the current major party nominees to exhibit conservative values, including selecting conservative or nearly conservative judges.

Well you can believe that if you want to but history doesn't support your position.

[AmBraCol]

McCain is a social liberal, and will appoint left leaning or centrist judges if he is elected.

I think you are wrong about this. That's not how politics works. He will have to point judges that lean toward the party line.

The problem is, the "party line" has shifted hard left. If there was a center or right leaning party then they'd never have allowed McCain to get as far as he has...

[505stevec]

If we, as conservatives do not let the momentum die on this 2nd Ammendment decision, McCain and the party will begin to shift to the Right. Look what happened when Reagan was President. A hard shift socially to the Right after two decades of Left thinking. Anyone who votes against McCain (and he is not my first choice) is voting for Obama and his Anti-Constitution people. Dont kid yourselves the remifications of this election will follow us to our graves.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

McCain is a social liberal, and will appoint left leaning or centrist judges if he is elected.

I think you are wrong about this. That's not how politics works. He will have to point judges that lean toward the party line.

The problem is, the "party line" has shifted hard left. If there was a center or right leaning party then they'd never have allowed McCain to get as far as he has...

Paul,
I agree but I also believe at this point in history a more conservative candidate is unelectable. I think the GOP has it's eye on the prize, the SCOTUS nominations. The uncommitted swing votes will decide this elaction. I think the GOP statagy is they settle for left leaning McCain against Obama thinking McCain can attract the Reagan democrats,the jump ship union members, and the white voters that fear obama. These will be the people that will be the deciding swing votes. All the polls prove this.

[bunklocoempire]

I would offer that this time around more than any it is important not to vote for the Republican so many dislike.

To send a message, not to the politicians, but to the American voter.

If our fellow American voters do not think a third party has a "chance", the decline will continue.

Repubs will keep settleing and the Dems will do whatever they do. McCain for the repub "choice" this time, what about next time? Hard to imagine.

Bunkloco

[PaulB]

I also believe at this point in history a more conservative candidate is unelectable.

Actually that is not really so. Ron Paul was by far the most conservative candidate this election (depending on what you mean by the word "conservative" of course), and his supporters spanned the spectrum. Yes he had lots of "Democrats for Ron Paul" who was attracted to his old-style conservative position of not meddling with the rest of the world. His supporters were also by far the most motivated.

Ronald Reagan is considered the most conservative President we've had in a very long time, and he was tremendously popular, even after his Iran-Contra idiocy.

On the other hand, it is true Ron Paul did not get the nomination. That had a lot more to do with the media blackout and the constant marginalization in the media, than anything else (and election fraud, and good-old-boy shenanigans in the GOP caucuses). So it's apparently the case that a very good candidate cannot get elected if all the media gang up against him.

That means we are stuck with candidates bought, paid for and controlled by the current power structure.

I say, hell with that. I don't care if Obama puts bad justices in. The sooner the revolution, the better. McCain is a pig, just like Bush is. They all are pigs. Put makeup on a pig, it still smells.

If you guys had wanted libertarians and old-time conservatives to stay on board, you should have nominated someone who smelled less. You didn't, so we won't. Don't get upset about it at this late date. Just live with it. Hell, McCain will probably steal the election anyway - "it's not who votes, it's who counts the votes that matters."

[505stevec]

A dare say that there are agent procatours amongst us. Any of you that tout the "dont vote Republican" mantra should be ashamed. go back to a Democrat forum. Vote in Obama and our Nation will founder as a world leader. Then we will be remembered in future generations as the Democracy that fell to Dictatorship in the 20th century.

[bunklocoempire]

A dare say that there are agent procatours amongst us. Any of you that tout the "dont vote Republican" mantra should be ashamed. go back to a Democrat forum. Vote in Obama and our Nation will founder as a world leader. Then we will be remembered in future generations as the Democracy that fell to Dictatorship in the 20th century.

Maybe I got the wrong drift from your post,

A republic that was sold out by both dems and repubs, and now possibly the third party (Bob Barr did vote for the "Patriot" Act), and a population too worried about their team unity to figure it out.

Current (and past)major Repub and Dem candidates love the U.N., shows where their alligeance lies.

Nice and simple if we just follow our Constitution, that's what the early Patriots did, there is no shame in following our Constitution.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/ Up to 65,000 +, some good news!

Vote Republican if you will, but vote for the right Republican, McCain and his membership in the CFR and enchantment by the U.N. is not the Republican to vote for.

Again I would suggest a vote for any party but the big two. To let your fellow Americans know the possibilities. Very early in our history an unruly mob would make this clear, sorry to say unruly mobs for political change is not the fashion anymore.

Bunkloco

[FWiedner]

A dare say that there are agent procatours amongst us. Any of you that tout the "dont vote Republican" mantra should be ashamed. go back to a Democrat forum. Vote in Obama and our Nation will founder as a world leader. Then we will be remembered in future generations as the Democracy that fell to Dictatorship in the 20th century.

I'd have to say that the people who should be shamed are those who were unable to muster the personal courage during the primaries to break from the herd to choose a true conservative. By blindly following the "lesser of two evils" mantra, and failing to select a conservative candidate, they have turned away from America and the Constitution.

The electorate has turned it's back on good, and the nation is being surrendered to evil.

If a Democrat is elected, it will be because the Republicans uber alles have chosen a poor candidate.

[JP_TX]

I've said i before but it bares repeating. TWO YEARS AGO, Angry conservatives and Libertarians beat the drums on talk radio and conservative web sites about "teaching the the Republican controled Congress a lesson."

Well we did a bang up job. We really, really showed them Waskily Wepublicans. And now we have Democrat MANDATED ethanol, and grain riots around the world. $4.+ gas. Airlines that can't afford fuel, Truckers that are going to go broke on Diesel that is more expensive than gasoline. American auto companies laying off workers by the 1000s... And still the Dems don't want to drill!!! In 2 years!

Well here we go again. Lets show the the Republicans again, we are not going to put up with McCain for President. Instead we will take higher taxes, SURRENDER in the middleast. Socialized Medicine Nationalized American Oil companies, $5.+ gas. American auto companies, airlines and truckers going broke. Food prices through the roof. But we'll show'em. We'll show'em alright.

God. I have never heard so many suicidal people in my life. Wake up. This isn't civics class this is going to be the world we live in. If you really want to make a differnece find out which Republican Senators or Senate candidates around the country need help getting elected and support them. Take a little of your ammo money and send them a check. If we can hold 41 votes in the Senate, we can stop them. Got it?

Do something besides sitting around in front of your computers Pizzing and Moaning about how there is no one to vote for.

I've had enough I'm goind to bed. And I am voting a straight Republican ticket. we may lose but it wont be because I didn't vote. You see I love my State and I love my Country and I don't want to give up the things I love just for " Change you can believe in."

[505stevec]

A dare say that there are agent procatours amongst us. Any of you that tout the "dont vote Republican" mantra should be ashamed. go back to a Democrat forum. Vote in Obama and our Nation will founder as a world leader. Then we will be remembered in future generations as the Democracy that fell to Dictatorship in the 20th century.

I'd have to say that the people who should be shamed are those who were unable to muster the personal courage during the primaries to break from the herd to choose a true conservative. By blindly following the "lesser of two evils" mantra, and failing to select a conservative candidate, they have turned away from America and the Constitution.

The electorate has turned it's back on good, and the nation is being surrendered to evil.

If a Democrat is elected, it will be because the Republicans uber alles have chosen a poor candidate.

McCain is not my first or second choice. That said a vote for anyone else is a vote for Obama. Obama in my book may as well be the precurser to the Anti-Christ. I will not vote him in whether by ommision or commision. I will vote for McCain. The SCOTUS is the pearl of great price for the future. An Obama win will surely have trajic consequence.

[505stevec]

"Evil prevails when good men do nothing" just do nothing and Obama will get in. Revolution is always the last resort. We as free men may now rise up and make a statement by pushing our Representatives to do right. Hold them accountable now. Wishing for blood shed is idiotic to say the least.