FFL's now need permit from Kali to ship there? (CONFIRMED!)

[O.S.O.K.]

I just heard that Kalifornia now has a law/statute that requires FFL's outside of Kalifornia to get a special permit to ship to an FFL in Kali.

What a load!

I was talking to Regan Nonneman and he told me about this.

They are really working overtime to infringe on the right to keep and bear aren't they....

BTW - if you know Regan, you might want to give him a call and check in with him - he had a freak accident a couple weeks ago where he got sucked into a drainage pipe, but got out OK and is now recovering. Apperently there was a beaver involved . No, this is not a joke - the beaver kept trying to stop up the drain... and that's why he was near it - unplugging the dang beaver's work.

Anyway, glad he wasn't hurt any worse than he was.

[Old Ironsights]

Just start making your own... You will need them sooner than later.

[O.S.O.K.]

Just start making your own... You will need them sooner than later.

Whatchyou talkin bout Willis?

My own what? Guns?

This doesn't really affect me directly - just makes me mad to think of all my bretheren living there having to put up with this crapola.

[Bob A]

I'm not sure what this is about. I bought a rifle at auction last month. It arrived at my ffl from a pawn shop in Oregon with no problems.
The seller has to be an FFL, which is a pain but not new.

Bob A

[O.S.O.K.]

From what I gather, this is a brand new thing.

[Rusty]

I don't think it will pass the Interstate Commerce test.

[Jayhawker]

I'm not aware of any changes like this and can't find anything on the state attorney general's website. Anyone have additional information?

[mikld]

I am a resident of California (WITH A "C") and get NRA alerts via email and I haven't heard anything like this. Sounds like some rumor that would come out of tejas.

[Mike D.]

Just another false rumor generated by CA haters. I buy and sell guns often and have never heard of such nonsense.

[O.S.O.K.]

Who's a Kalifornia hater?

And I use a "K" because the state has gone "red" in a big way. mikld, I can go to using "mexifornia" as you do if that would make you feel better... that's also descriptive - and we here in Texas have the same issue in that regard.

I pitty the freedom loving Americans stuck there dealing with the likes of Pelosi, Boxer and Feinstein, not to mention Scwhartzenegger.

And I stated in the starting post where this information came from - go back and read please. Mr. Nonneman is in Missouri and informed me that he had to get this new "permit" in order to ship to a customer there.

Perhaps this is a county type thing? I meas isolated to a specific local in Kali?

ETA spelling corrections

[roughing it]

I am FFL dealer in CA and yes starting July 1, 2008 firearms transfers between FFL dealers to or from a CA FFL must comply with the California Firearms License Check Program. Quote from CA DOJ letter: "As of July 1, 2008 CA Penal Code Section 12072(f)(1) prohibits all FFLs from shipping firearms to an FFL in CA unless, prior to delivery, the FFL intending to deliver, sell or transfer the firearm obtains a verification approval number from the CA DOJ Bureau of Firearms. This includes transfers that occur at gun shows. The verification approval number, which the Bureau of Fireams provides in a Firearms Shipment Approval Letter, confirms that the intended recipient of the firearm shipment is properly licensed and listed in the states database of persons/entities authorized to receive firearms shipments. If the intended CA FFL recipient is not listed in the states database, the transaction will result in a Do Not Ship letter, and it is a crime for the intended recipient to receive firearms(Pen.Code 12083(c)(1)."

All FFLs, in or out of CA who deal in CA must enroll in this program in order to receive approval letters over the internet or by FAX. There is no cost to this other than time and another form that must be kept for 3 years by the dealer. This does not apply to private party non FFL transfers from within or without of CA to a CA FFL. Bottom line - Is CA a gun owner friendly state? Come to your own conclusion.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

For those of you that have any doubts, here's the link;

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcoverview.php

I have signed up to do it. There will most likely will be a fee to process this.

[Mike D.]

Hmmm. Why have I not received this letter from the CA DOJ? This is a new one on me. I usually do not purchase from FFL dealers, though, preferring private party sales.

[O.S.O.K.]

I am a resident of California (WITH A "C") and get NRA alerts via email and I haven't heard anything like this. Sounds like some rumor that would come out of tejas.

Just another false rumor generated by CA haters. I buy and sell guns often and have never heard of such nonsense.

Well?

How do you like your crow? Medium or well done?

What a great state to live in huh?

I really am sorry for you guys. This sucks big.

[oldgerboy]

We just got our letter this week. Our shop's attitude isn't Kali friendly ... it got round-filed. The owner said "We don't have to do business with those #@&%$#@&%$"

[roughing it]

We just got our letter this week. Our shop's attitude isn't Kali friendly ... it got round-filed. The owner said "We don't have to do business with those #@&%$#@&%$"

Thats precisely the response the politicians here in CA hoped for when they enacted this looney law. If out of state FFLs won't deal with CA dealers then that further restricts the number of firearms legally entering and being sold here. I was born and raised here and am pretty fed up but what do you do? Many gun owners have moved out to free places but those of us who are stuck here (for the time being) can only vote and try to affect the political process any way we can.

[BruceB]

This law came about due to the California Association of Firearms Retailers, CAFR. It seems
out of state FFL's are hurting their bottom line. So they proposed AB2521 back in 2005-2006.
They told the "gun lobby", NRA, CalNRA, GOC,and CRPA, that this was an "industry bill" meaning
leave it alone.( A search of the above groups' websites will find no mention of AB2521.) So it passed
into law and goes into effect on 07-01-2008. CAFR was/is counting on out of state dealers doing as
described above and deciding to refuse to ship to California. It also applies to transfers inside
California as well; ie a SoCal dealer shipping to a NorCal dealer has to get an "approval number".

The process itself as described on the DOJ's website is pretty simple and can be completed on line
in just a couple of minutes. A copy of the approval has to accomany the gun(s) shipped and a copy
is retained by the shipping dealer. ( https://webapps.doj.ca.gov/cflc/WebHelp ... m#<cmd=toc )

Steve, I thank you for signing up.

[jdad]

Look at how many dealers just aren't going to sell to folks in CA anymore.

http://www.auctionarms.com/Help/Forum/D ... ctID=24043

[Jayhawker]

I guess I can assume this will also apply to C&R license holders?

[O.S.O.K.]

mike and mike, no more comments about Texas rumors and Kali haters?

Weird how even the suposedly "gun people" in Kali have conspired to attack the rights of the citizens of that state. What the hell's in the water out there?

I guess they don't understand how the business works. How having access to a large variety of related stuff actually works in a positive way for them and that the slow-down in their local business has everything to do with their local laws - not "competition" from out of state companies. Fools.

They can now stew in their own juices.

And the next non-C&R gun that I sell on gunbroker will include the statement "sorry - no sales to Kalifornia".

Sorry guys, #1 - I'm not going through my FFL dealer for private sale to an FFL dealer there and #2 - I'm not going to ask him to complete some jacked permission form to do it. Just not going to happen.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

This law came about due to the California Association of Firearms Retailers, ............................................................................................................




The process itself as described on the DOJ's website is pretty simple and can be completed on line
in just a couple of minutes. A copy of the approval has to accomany the gun(s) shipped and a copy
is retained by the shipping dealer. ( https://webapps.doj.ca.gov/cflc/WebHelp ... m#<cmd=toc )

Steve, I thank you for signing up.

Bruce, that is very true. It is simple to sign up and even submit. The additional time/fee's are going to come from those applications that are rejected. When that happens and it will, the original process will have to start completely over with the minimum of having to at least find another Cal. FFL that can pass compliance. Nothing in the bureaucratic minefield is ever as simple as it looks on the surface.

[KirkD]

What California needs is another massive set of completely-out-of-control riots like they had way back in the heyday of the right honorable Rodney King. Then they can reflect upon how well their gun laws are working. The only thing that I ask is that the organizers of the riots have them in the artsy, tree-hugging, fish-kissing, left-wing, liberal, let's-disarm-at-any-cost-type neighborhoods so that the proponents of all these wonderful laws can bask in the full benefits of not being armed in the middle of an all-out, looting, pillaging riot that goes on for weeks.

[Rimfire McNutjob]

+1 to Kirk's sentiments.

[Mike D.]

A-MEN, Kirk! It is a darned shame that we who choose to reside in the rural portions of this beautiful state are forced to suffer the results of legislation that often is supported by the residents of the large urban areas. In this case, however, it is evidently the greedy CA arms dealers that brought this latest nonsense to the table and I don't blame anyone for refusing to ship guns to CA FFL holders.

That being said, since today is Father's Day I plan on heading down to our local ranch and maybe do a little shooting, take some kids water skiing, and help my Grandchildren catch some fish. The water slide will be working overtime this afternoon. This will probably be the last hurrah for our boat, too. With the price of gas at $4.60/gal it will likely stay in the barn for the remainder of the summer.

[awp101]

This law came about due to the California Association of Firearms Retailers, CAFR. It seems
out of state FFL's are hurting their bottom line. So they proposed AB2521 back in 2005-2006.
They told the "gun lobby", NRA, CalNRA, GOC,and CRPA, that this was an "industry bill" meaning
leave it alone.( A search of the above groups' websites will find no mention of AB2521.) So it passed
into law and goes into effect on 07-01-2008. CAFR was/is counting on out of state dealers doing as
described above and deciding to refuse to ship to California. It also applies to transfers inside
California as well; ie a SoCal dealer shipping to a NorCal dealer has to get an "approval number".

Wow, talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face...

[Mike D.]

I would like to sincerely offer somewhat belated apologies to those who may have been offended by my head-in-the-sand comments concerning recent legislation that will effect FFL dealers who ship to this state. I just didn't want to believe that any such requirement existed and promise to do my homework before making any future statements regarding CA firearms legislation. In other words, I am darned embarrassed for shooting my mouth off without thinking. I won't happen again.