OT- Whitworth or Sharps 1859/1863? New choice added

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OT- Whitworth or Sharps 1859/1863? New choice added

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I'm going to be limited to one, maybe two purchases for the rest of the year (3 if I'm extremely lucky).

I'm considering a Whitworth replica with period scope (I'd prefer the hexagonal bore but the Pedersoli would work as well) or a 1859/1863 Sharps carbine.

Intended uses will be paper punching, maybe a sillywet shoot for funsies and general fiddling around.

My personal preferences in longarms run towards carbines for general handiness (right now I have an Enfield Musketoon and Smith Artillery Carbine) but I find the Whitworth extremely intriguing.

Thoughts, opinions or suggestions? Pros and cons?

Thanks! :mrgreen:
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Re: OT- Whitworth or Sharps 1859/1863?

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Speaking only from my own inclinations, and not experience, I'd definitely go with the Sharps myself, made by Shiloh. Why?

The Shiloh is made in America and will have an excellent barrel of Chrome Moly steel, with excellent fit/finish overall. It will likely be better in the trigger than the Witworth and shoot well, if not very well. I doubt that the European Whitworth of today holds a candle to those that were manufactured before and during the "late Unpleasantness" of the 1860's. Many hours of craftsmanship went into those guns to give them that legendary accuracy. Again...the Shiloh would get the nod because of all these things in my book. Plus, there's just nothing neater than a Sharps. 8)
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Re: OT- Whitworth or Sharps 1859/1863?

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Sir,
If you can afford the Shiloh Sharps, that would definitely be the finest made. I have owned a Shiloh and the Italian replicas. The Italians don't compare in ANY way.
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Re: OT- Whitworth or Sharps 1859/1863?

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Valid points but a Shiloh or C. Sharps is out of the picture for price reasons. :( Besides, if I'm going for one of those two manufacturers it'd be for an 1874... :mrgreen:
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Re: OT- Whitworth or Sharps 1859/1863?

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Paul Jenkins wrote:Sir
Don't call me Sir, I work for a living! :lol:


How many question marks are floating over heads in cyber space right now?:lol::lol::lol:
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I dont own a Sharps rifle but I do own a Witworth. Mine is about 12-15 years old and marked Parker Hale , England on the barrel. I think PH made the barrels and they were assembled in Italy. They are a very accurate rifle and will surprise you what they can do with the rather crude battle sights they sport. My rifle is made as well as any rifle you could find made as a copy of an origional battle rifle and much better fitted anf finished than most modern muzzle loading replicas.

You are talking about two completely different guns here. Not like comparing Rossi to Browning 92`s. :D
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I have shot 2" five shot groups at 100yd with mine. That is better than I can see on most days. :)
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Nice Chuck 100yd! Does it have the hexagonal rifling?

The one I'm looking at has a period style reproduction scope which will help my fading eyesight.
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Yes, It has the hex bore but I shoot .451 cal regular round grease groove bullets. Lyman made/makes the mold spacial for the Witworth..It`s a conical bullet w/grease grooves of about 450gr. IIRC the bullet bumps up to fill the bore and shoots very accurate. These rifles only use about 65-70 gr. powder, IIRC,so its about the same as a .45-70 in that respect. I havent shot it in years. So many guns and so little time!!
The sights came regulated just like the origionals, Shoots about 8" high at 100 yd. at the lowest 200yd setting.
The sight has steps out to about 800yd. Again IIRC. I could dig out my log book and give more and accurate info if you need PM me. Chuck
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Re: OT- Whitworth or Sharps 1859/1863?

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Thanks, I'll PM you if I decide on getting one.;)

I have a thread about this going on the Traditional ML Forum as well but when I tried to reply they went down for maintenance... :? :lol:
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Re: OT- Whitworth or Sharps 1859/1863?

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Chuck 100 yd wrote:I dont own a Sharps rifle but I do own a Witworth. Mine is about 12-15 years old and marked Marker Hale , England on the barrel. I think PH made the barrels and they were assembled in Italy. They are a very accurate rifle and will surprise you what they can do with the rather crude battle sights they sport. My rifle is made as well as any rifle you could find made as a copy of an origional battle rifle and much better fitted anf finished than most modern muzzle loading replicas.

You are talking about two completely different guns here. Not like comparing Rossi to Browning 92`s. :D
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I have shot 2" five shot groups at 100yd with mine. That is better than I can see on most days. :)
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That is one fine looking sleek rifle! :D
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Re: OT- Whitworth or Sharps 1859/1863?

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I stand thoroughly corrected. That IS a fine looking rifle indeed.
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Re: OT- Whitworth or Sharps 1859/1863?

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I should PROOF read my posts better. Thats Parker Hale not Marker Hale. :oops:
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Re: OT- Whitworth or Sharps 1859/1863? New choice added

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Another possibility that slipped my mind is the Pedersoli .45-70 Rolling Block replica. Anyone fondled one of those yet?
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Re: OT- Whitworth or Sharps 1859/1863? New choice added

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A friend has the Pedersolli RB in 45-90. It was rechambered from .45-70. I never cared for the large rollers but it seems to be well built. I heard of problems with soft hammers and the firing pin would peen the hammer face. I`m sure that problem has been taken care of by now if you buy a new one. Enjoy! :wink:
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