Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
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Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
If this was a lever action rifle, I'd have no troubles taking it apart even if it was a new design for me (once took a Browning BLR apart, and correctly re-timed the rack/pinion and reassembled it OK) -- but I just don't have any experience at taking apart small 2-stroke carbs.
And to be honest, all the small parts on this schematic sorta intimidate me!
It's from a 22 year old Husqvarna 36 Chainsaw that just won't stay running any longer unless the choke is held open and jiggled. The saw ran great for 21 years with just regular maintenance, and now it has a new plug, air filter and gas filter, as the local shop had replaced those a year ago when I had the same issues. But now it's not running again...
I suspect the fuel line might be original, and will replace that myself. And I have run a "shock treatment" of 50/50 oil & gas and SeaFoam through it, but that didn't do the trick. It still stalls under a load and won't stay running unless you choke it.
I can get a new aftermarket (Chinese) carb for $15.00 delivered, but I've heard the tuning of those can sometimes be an issue. And I'd kind of like to see if I can clean or fix this original one for myself before I resort to that...
* Do I need to disassemble this carb to clean all the jets, or would a 2-day soak in SeaFoam work?
* Can I count the # of turns on the Idle, High and Low adjustment screws and remove those to get the SeaFoam in deeper?
* Besides replacing the fuel line (see other parts that were replaced above), what else would you recommend?
Thanks for your help!
Old No7
And to be honest, all the small parts on this schematic sorta intimidate me!
It's from a 22 year old Husqvarna 36 Chainsaw that just won't stay running any longer unless the choke is held open and jiggled. The saw ran great for 21 years with just regular maintenance, and now it has a new plug, air filter and gas filter, as the local shop had replaced those a year ago when I had the same issues. But now it's not running again...
I suspect the fuel line might be original, and will replace that myself. And I have run a "shock treatment" of 50/50 oil & gas and SeaFoam through it, but that didn't do the trick. It still stalls under a load and won't stay running unless you choke it.
I can get a new aftermarket (Chinese) carb for $15.00 delivered, but I've heard the tuning of those can sometimes be an issue. And I'd kind of like to see if I can clean or fix this original one for myself before I resort to that...
* Do I need to disassemble this carb to clean all the jets, or would a 2-day soak in SeaFoam work?
* Can I count the # of turns on the Idle, High and Low adjustment screws and remove those to get the SeaFoam in deeper?
* Besides replacing the fuel line (see other parts that were replaced above), what else would you recommend?
Thanks for your help!
Old No7
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Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
I would soak it but soak it in a solvent. Sea foam is good stuff but I'd use denatured alcohol or mineral spirits. Shouldn't hurt and seals. Also I would replace the gasket between carb and jug.
Also the ethanol gas on the markets destroys fuel lines, under load the lines get sucked closed . I'd replace them while the carb is soaking.
As for the Chinese carb, I think I'd get a husky carb. Try www.bailysonline.com for parts.
One other thing, use a quality oil, I use Husky oil for my mix. The name brand mix supposedly has a stabilizer in it so no need for adding a stabilizer .
Also the ethanol gas on the markets destroys fuel lines, under load the lines get sucked closed . I'd replace them while the carb is soaking.
As for the Chinese carb, I think I'd get a husky carb. Try www.bailysonline.com for parts.
One other thing, use a quality oil, I use Husky oil for my mix. The name brand mix supposedly has a stabilizer in it so no need for adding a stabilizer .
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Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
I say take a measured approach. Replace the fuel Lin. If that doesn’t work soak the carb. Still no joy rebuild it (it’s a carb not a nuclear reactor). Lastly install a new carb.
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Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
I've had good luck pulling carbs off, and simply spraying brake cleaner in the fuel inlet lines with the carb's throttle wide open. Then reinstall and try it again. The brake cleaner and pressure seems to usually blow out grit and obstructions, and most of the time I've tried this it worked great after.
But I'd be sure to put a small inline fuel filter on the chainsaw if it doesn't have one. They are available from most stores that sell lawnmowers and chainsaws, and will ensure it wont happen again later.
But I'd be sure to put a small inline fuel filter on the chainsaw if it doesn't have one. They are available from most stores that sell lawnmowers and chainsaws, and will ensure it wont happen again later.
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The factory carb is like 40 bucks. I’d replace that in the lines and call it good.
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Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
21 years without carb work is impressive. The last carb kit I bought was $10 and they aren't difficult to install. Clean everything with carb cleaner (Berkebile 2+2 Gum Cutter) or brake cleaner thouroghly and wear eye protection. The diaphragms will be bad and the carb won't pump gas peoperly. Focus on the job and with the parts diagram you won't have any trouble.
Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
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Well, it isn't workin now anyhow so you might as well get into it.
I took apart some kind of HD weedwacker a couple decades ago. Not sure it's the same difficulty as a saw carb... Just cleaned it and put it back together... I might have replaced lines. Anyhow, i put a blade on it and it worked great for lots of thick, tangled bushes.
I enjoy doing that kind of stuff so it really boils down to - if I have the time.
Well, it isn't workin now anyhow so you might as well get into it.
I took apart some kind of HD weedwacker a couple decades ago. Not sure it's the same difficulty as a saw carb... Just cleaned it and put it back together... I might have replaced lines. Anyhow, i put a blade on it and it worked great for lots of thick, tangled bushes.
I enjoy doing that kind of stuff so it really boils down to - if I have the time.
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Spoken like a man with money to burn. Fuel line is cheap and needs replacing regardless.
Cleaning only takes a bit of time. And, rebuild kits are much less than a new carb.
While not a child of the depression, my parents were. I guess some of it rubbed off on me.
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Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
They are quite simple to work on. My last 13 years ,before retirement, was working for a Stihl saw shop.
Remove the carb and dissasemble and clean it and install a gasket/diafragm kit.just replace the parts in the same configuration as they came apart.thepumping diafragm is probably hard and no longer pumping fuel. Blow out the carbs inlet screen and get back to using it.
Before starting these repairs, make sure you have good compression,low compression/ vacuum and the fuel pump can't work.
Remove the carb and dissasemble and clean it and install a gasket/diafragm kit.just replace the parts in the same configuration as they came apart.thepumping diafragm is probably hard and no longer pumping fuel. Blow out the carbs inlet screen and get back to using it.
Before starting these repairs, make sure you have good compression,low compression/ vacuum and the fuel pump can't work.
Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
Sometimes there's a fine screen in there that gets clogged/gummed up.
And the fuel lines get eaten by ethanol, so if you have a cracked one,
it will let in air, leaning out the mixture, thus needing choke.
Not too bad to rebuild those small carbs. Just take everything apart
in order and lay it all out carefully, (take a picture, too!). "Reassembly is
the reverse of disassembly."
Good luck!
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And the fuel lines get eaten by ethanol, so if you have a cracked one,
it will let in air, leaning out the mixture, thus needing choke.
Not too bad to rebuild those small carbs. Just take everything apart
in order and lay it all out carefully, (take a picture, too!). "Reassembly is
the reverse of disassembly."
Good luck!
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Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
Burning money is spending $12.00 on a carb kit and spending an hour to install it, only to end up buying a new carb anyway.jeepnik wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:29 pmSpoken like a man with money to burn. Fuel line is cheap and needs replacing regardless.
Cleaning only takes a bit of time. And, rebuild kits are much less than a new carb.
While not a child of the depression, my parents were. I guess some of it rubbed off on me.
Time is money.
I have no problem rebuilding an older single or dual bbl carb, but those tiny engine carbs have tiny little holes that are tough to see and clean sometimes.
It's all in the eye of the beholder. To judge someone for taking the approach they do is a bit juvenile.
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Thanks gang!
I appreciate ALL the replies above -- and the different perspectives are all valid.
That's why I asked too -- to get different ideas... Yes, I could try the cheap and easy route, or go the expensive route, and I do agree that "time is money" too. But that said, as it relates to yet another posting I've done today of a recent family issue/loss -- working on a gun or a carb can help take your mind off of issues and be considered "cheap therapy" too! * And to be honest, I want to gain the experience, and I plan to enjoy the challenge of seeing if I can fix this one or not, before considering a replacement.
... * Certainly much cheaper than a therapist!!!
So... Thanks again for ALL replies above.
And if you disagree with the approach I finally take (which I am not even sure about yet...), well that's OK too; and if so, then I would hope we can all "agree to disagree".
Cheers!
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I appreciate ALL the replies above -- and the different perspectives are all valid.
That's why I asked too -- to get different ideas... Yes, I could try the cheap and easy route, or go the expensive route, and I do agree that "time is money" too. But that said, as it relates to yet another posting I've done today of a recent family issue/loss -- working on a gun or a carb can help take your mind off of issues and be considered "cheap therapy" too! * And to be honest, I want to gain the experience, and I plan to enjoy the challenge of seeing if I can fix this one or not, before considering a replacement.
... * Certainly much cheaper than a therapist!!!
So... Thanks again for ALL replies above.
And if you disagree with the approach I finally take (which I am not even sure about yet...), well that's OK too; and if so, then I would hope we can all "agree to disagree".
Cheers!
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Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
We have a "small engine" guy here in town... I don't ever attempt this stuff anymore... 'cause sure as shootin', I try rebuilding a 2-stroke carb... I'd be out buyin' the replacement real soon... like before the darned thing ever started again!
I've had him do my chainsaw, a coupla lawnmowers and my 4-stroke generator before I found the trick to keepin' 'em workin' right, from one yearly use to the next... Run 'em outta gas before ya shut 'em off.
I've had him do my chainsaw, a coupla lawnmowers and my 4-stroke generator before I found the trick to keepin' 'em workin' right, from one yearly use to the next... Run 'em outta gas before ya shut 'em off.
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Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
Yep. No need to justify the approach you take to anybody.
I find that, when I have money I don't have time. And when I have time I don't have money. Hard to find that balance and react timely to the tipping of the scale....
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Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
I have rebuilt a lot of carbs over the years Rochester, Holley, Webber, Edelbrock and many others. One thing I've learned 2 stroke carbs are a lot finickier than 4 stroke carbs. You've done good for having that carb running for that many years. Over time the way fuel is metered, and air gets delivered into the tiny ports which are a lot smaller compared to the 4 stroke carbs get bigger thus tuning it becomes a bear! If money is tight and you got the time to rebuild it go for it, what do you have to loose! If you decide to buy a new carb and save the hassle you have to look at the age of the saw regarding the oiler, cylinder head, piston rings etc.etc... If it was me and my time is limited I would go with a new carb, have it gone through by someone, done and done. I would take that Husqi 36, pre-emission saw in a heart beat compared to the junk I see today!
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Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
I nave worn out more chain saws in 23 years than I can recall, yes I have replaced a lot of carbs if the saw was still
running strong, with what I had found was a rebuild kit was a waste of time & money, go with a new Husky carb & be done with it
May be first I would adjust the hi & lo speed jets a bit to see if that might help, crank er up hold wide open & turn each screw out a bit that may clear it up?
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running strong, with what I had found was a rebuild kit was a waste of time & money, go with a new Husky carb & be done with it
May be first I would adjust the hi & lo speed jets a bit to see if that might help, crank er up hold wide open & turn each screw out a bit that may clear it up?
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Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
+1 i always run my 4 stroke generator out of gas when not using. Yep carbs will gum up from sitting and etahnol eats at rubber components. gas station by me now sells ethanol free high test gas. bit more money but worth it. ethanol is what screwed up my fuel/oil mix pump on my outboard. 650 bucks to get that replaced. all my two strokes and lawnmowers now get ethanol free gas with gas treatment added.Griff wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:42 pm We have a "small engine" guy here in town... I don't ever attempt this stuff anymore... 'cause sure as shootin', I try rebuilding a 2-stroke carb... I'd be out buyin' the replacement real soon... like before the darned thing ever started again!
I've had him do my chainsaw, a coupla lawnmowers and my 4-stroke generator before I found the trick to keepin' 'em workin' right, from one yearly use to the next... Run 'em outta gas before ya shut 'em off.
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Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
I try to avoid running 2 or 4 stroke engines dry for the problem I see is dried out O-rings or gaskets especially if it's been running with ethanol. If it's running with ethanol free fuel that's a different story. I have a gas Miller generator/welder that I try to use it as often as I can not only to refresh the fuel in the carb but also to make sure the brushes aren’t sticking in the commutator which they have a tendency of doing and I do it with a heavy load like welding or hooking up to my house. As of late I've been using it a lot but it can sit for 3 to 5 months not doing anything.rossim92 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:42 pm+1 i always run my 4 stroke generator out of gas when not using. Yep carbs will gum up from sitting and etahnol eats at rubber components. gas station by me now sells ethanol free high test gas. bit more money but worth it. ethanol is what screwed up my fuel/oil mix pump on my outboard. 650 bucks to get that replaced. all my two strokes and lawnmowers now get ethanol free gas with gas treatment added.Griff wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:42 pm We have a "small engine" guy here in town... I don't ever attempt this stuff anymore... 'cause sure as shootin', I try rebuilding a 2-stroke carb... I'd be out buyin' the replacement real soon... like before the darned thing ever started again!
I've had him do my chainsaw, a coupla lawnmowers and my 4-stroke generator before I found the trick to keepin' 'em workin' right, from one yearly use to the next... Run 'em outta gas before ya shut 'em off.
Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
If you use this saw once a year or so to cut up a downed limb then I would say yes to try to repair it. But if you rely on this saw to help heat your home (like I do) or take care of farm/ranch duties then I would maybe look at a new saw. 22 years is a good life for a chainsaw.
Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
Back when I was overseeing a fleet of vehicles (trucks, cars, tractors, fork lifts, snow blowers, etc) at work I had good luck soaking carbs and other parts in ATF (Automatic Transmission Fluid …… not the deer camp essentials of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) . I used to have a small vibrating table top that I would sit a sealed tote with ATF and carbs over night. Next day I would repeat for an hour in another sealed tote with gasoline. Let dry and they seemed to work great. ATF seemed to rejuvenate seals.
I've used the same method with cosomline and rust encrsuted firearms with good success. Just sayin'
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Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
Time is money to me. So is quality cleaner. Almost $30 for a gallon of gunk. I have a still sevicable gallon and yet the time spent carefully cleaning each tiny orifice and cleaning me and my clothes after makes a new carb and lines easier. Yes, changing the lines first sounds like it might be all that’s needed. Ethanol degradation and gelling is the bain of all small engines. When I havetime to burn someday I’ll go back to wrenching my own tools again. My local husky shop will put the new carb and lines on for the exact same price I can buy a factory carb and lines online. Just had husky blower and one weedeater done this summer. My big chainsaw is a Solo and is scrap if it breaks. Parts only available in the EU and expensive as alljeepnik wrote: ↑Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:29 pmSpoken like a man with money to burn. Fuel line is cheap and needs replacing regardless.
Cleaning only takes a bit of time. And, rebuild kits are much less than a new carb.
While not a child of the depression, my parents were. I guess some of it rubbed off on me.
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Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
My friend worked/mechanic at a large John Deere dealer. All brands of tractors, chain saws, etc. has been a mechanic since we graduated high school In ‘63. He even went to school for it.
Only way they would go into a carb was to dissemble carb and put into the sonic cleaner for an hour or two. Gets all of the white death as he called it from all the super small oriffaces. Almost allways worked. Much better than wire thru the openings. If it did not work then replace the carb on the saws, lawn mowers and fillers and such.
Two or four stroke engines.
Only way they would go into a carb was to dissemble carb and put into the sonic cleaner for an hour or two. Gets all of the white death as he called it from all the super small oriffaces. Almost allways worked. Much better than wire thru the openings. If it did not work then replace the carb on the saws, lawn mowers and fillers and such.
Two or four stroke engines.
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Anymore, after 40 years of fixing stuff, if it is under say..$300 and it goes bad, I wing it and buy a new one. Around here, they charge $60 just to look at it so I'll do the "normals"...plugs, cleaning etc....
Every small engine around here...probably six or so.........gets started up and run once a month or so...always with stabilizer.
What I do now is get a 4 year warranty that covers fixing or replacement....after that I'll just buy a new one if it goes bad.
I've seen so many guys who think nothing of buying a $50,000 pick up then scramble for money when little things in their life go bad. (Hey 6, can you fix my magazine tube on my Marlin, the gunsmith wants $80 to do it)-----Count Sixula
Every small engine around here...probably six or so.........gets started up and run once a month or so...always with stabilizer.
What I do now is get a 4 year warranty that covers fixing or replacement....after that I'll just buy a new one if it goes bad.
I've seen so many guys who think nothing of buying a $50,000 pick up then scramble for money when little things in their life go bad. (Hey 6, can you fix my magazine tube on my Marlin, the gunsmith wants $80 to do it)-----Count Sixula
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Re: Chainsaw Carb - Clean or Replace?
In the mid 80's when Homelite built a good saw I bought a 410 with a 20" bar, ran like a clock for 30 years, I never touched the carb. had it repaired once in 20 16 (the dealer sold them for years) and said parts were hard to find. about a year later it wouldn't run right. it now sit's on the shelf and I bought a new saw.
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A local occupational center has a small engine repair course. They love donations of things like chainsaws for the students to rebuild. Talking to one of the instructors I found out that many just need a good cleaning, tuneup and sharpening.
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