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POLITICS - National Reciprocity Bill in Senate!

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Senator Vitter To Offer Concealed Carry Reciprocity Amendment
-- Action needed right away!

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Tuesday, May 13, 2008


Senator David Vitter (R-LA) has filed a pro-gun amendment to HR 980, and it could be voted on as early as tomorrow!

This amendment would protect the right of citizens to carry concealed weapons (outside of their home state) in states that allow concealed carry.

Sen. Vitter explains that his amendment does not violate the rights of states as it "does NOT establish national standards for concealed carry, nor does it provide for a national carry permit."

In other words, the Vitter amendment specifically says that state laws concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried shall be followed. "My amendment will not federalize concealed carry permits but simply requires concealed carry permits to be recognized in other states that allow concealed carry permits," Vitter said.

This is a real reciprocity provision which grants citizens the "full faith and credit" protection that is guaranteed in Article IV of the Constitution.
Section 1 of this article says:

  Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts,
  Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress
  may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records, and
  Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

Vitter says that this constitutional provision authorizes the Congress to pass legislation forcing each state to recognize the "public Acts" of other states. So if states are not willing to recognize another state's laws, Congress has the authority to pass laws to require recognition of those measures.

It's just like with driver's licenses. If certain states refused to honor the driver's licenses of citizens in other states, Congress could pass legislation (under Article IV) to require every state to honor all licenses.


ACTION: Please urge your Senators to vote for the Vitter amendment to HR 980 to protect the right to carry concealed firearms outside of your home state.

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Please support the Vitter amendment to HR 980. This amendment will protect the right of citizens to carry firearms outside of their home state without violating the rights of other states. Thus, the Vitter language masterfully protects the principle of federalism while also promoting Second Amendment rights.

A person's right to defend himself and his family should not end at the border of his state.

I urge you to vote for the Vitter concealed carry amendment.

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All states honor marriage licenses and driver's licenses. It seems like some interstate commerce law should take effect here.
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Rusty wrote:All states honor marriage licenses and driver's licenses. It seems like some interstate commerce law should take effect here.
You would think. And those States that "require" front Plates also don't arrest Out of Staters for NOT having front plates... (as in, state A requires a FOID but State B doesn't, so a State B resident can't get charged for not having a FOID) but that doesn't seem to translate either. :evil:

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And here I am stuck with Boxer and Finestien :cry:
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JReed wrote:And here I am stuck with Boxer and Finestien :cry:
Can't you call in an Air Strike?

"Grid, ZA9615... FFE".... "oops" :twisted:
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Old Ironsights wrote:
JReed wrote:And here I am stuck with Boxer and Finestien :cry:
Can't you call in an Air Strike?

"Grid, ZA9615... FFE".... "oops" :twisted:
Dont I wish :evil:
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JReed,

I feel for you, I'm stuck with Durbin and the other dufass. They are as bad as yours.

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Joe, somehow you're gonna have to get back to the sagebrush. You may need to provide cover for JREED as he makes a hasty retreat from the left coast. :? :lol:
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JReed wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:
JReed wrote:And here I am stuck with Boxer and Finestien :cry:
Can't you call in an Air Strike?

"Grid, ZA9615... FFE".... "oops" :twisted:
Dont I wish :evil:
There are several states that honor CA CCW's do a google search.I've had a CA CCW about 36 years that was issued for protection due to my former employment.
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gon2shoot wrote:Joe, somehow you're gonna have to get back to the sagebrush. You may need to provide cover for JREED as he makes a hasty retreat from the left coast. :? :lol:
I always thought that was what Napalm was for... to give a fire team time to regroup before re-attacking after a charge in retrograde... :wink:
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Well I should find out thursday what state I am going to. Hopefully the Reps there will be better than the witches of eastwick.
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JReed wrote:Well I should find out thursday what state I am going to. Hopefully the Reps there will be better than the witches of eastwick.
Dude, you are in the Military. You are rotating to the State of Confusion.

Not even the Corps can help you there... :wink:
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Old Ironsights wrote:
JReed wrote:Well I should find out thursday what state I am going to. Hopefully the Reps there will be better than the witches of eastwick.
Dude, you are in the Military. You are rotating to the State of Confusion.

Not even the Corps can help you there... :wink:
LOL :lol: :lol:
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JReed wrote:Well I should find out thursday what state I am going to. Hopefully the Reps there will be better than the witches of eastwick.
Well, if you end up in The Peoples Democratic Republic of Illinois maybe we can hook up and kill a target or two.

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J Miller wrote:
JReed wrote:Well I should find out thursday what state I am going to. Hopefully the Reps there will be better than the witches of eastwick.
Well, if you end up in The Peoples Democratic Republic of Illinois maybe we can hook up and kill a target or two.

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You shooting the Greasy Topped Blago Targets? I'd like to particiapate... so long as you bring alond some North Town Outfit & Machine Targets too... :wink:
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H.R. 980 is the Public Safety Employer-Employee Cooperation Act of 2007.

H.R. 861 is the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2007.

?

I have been unable to find and read the text of the amendment, and I am wondering what Mr. Vitter's legislation really says. Anyone know where it can be found?

I don't feel it's prudent to support legislation based on a "hurry and do this".

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JReed wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:
JReed wrote:And here I am stuck with Boxer and Finestien :cry:
Can't you call in an Air Strike?

"Grid, ZA9615... FFE".... "oops" :twisted:
Dont I wish :evil:
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FWiedner wrote:H.R. 980 is the Public Safety Employer-Employee Cooperation Act of 2007.

H.R. 861 is the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2007.

?

I have been unable to find and read the text of the amendment, and I am wondering what Mr. Vitter's legislation really says. Anyone know where it can be found?

I don't feel it's prudent to support legislation based on a "hurry and do this".

:)
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text of this admendment:

SA 4757. Mr. VITTER submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by
him to the bill H.R. 980, to provide collective bargaining rights for
public safety officers employed by States or their political
subdivisions; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:

At the appropriate place, insert the following:

SEC. __. RECIPROCITY FOR THE CARRYING OF CERTAIN CONCEALED
FIREARMS.

(a) In General.--Chapter 44 of title 18, United States
Code, is amended by inserting after section 926C the
following:

``Sec. 926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain
concealed firearms

``Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or
political subdivision thereof:
``(1) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from
possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm,
and is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued
pursuant to the law of any State and which permits the person
to carry a concealed firearm, may carry in any State a
concealed firearm in accordance with the terms of the license
or permit, subject to the laws of the State in which the
firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in
which firearms may not be carried.
``(2) A person who is not prohibited by Federal law from
possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm,
and is otherwise than as described in paragraph (1) entitled
to carry a concealed firearm in and pursuant to the law of
the State in which the person resides, may carry in any State
a concealed firearm in accordance with the laws of the State
in which the person resides, subject to the laws of the State
in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of
locations in which firearms may not be carried.''.
(b) Clerical Amendment.--The table of sections for chapter
44 of title 18 is amended by inserting after the item
relating to section 926C the following:

``926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms.''.

(c) Effective Date.--The amendments made by this section
shall take effect 180 days after the date of enactment of
this Act.
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Which means that Illannoy, WI, & DC (among others) are still No Gos... but it's a positive step.

I'm sick to death of being told my CCW is good here but not there because I haven't paid homage to the local bigwig/"approving authority".
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Ha, I've got Shumer and Klinton , :cry: Don't know which pair is worse !
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I will be shocked, completely shocked, and elated if this passes.
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I, like Joe, have Oboma and Durbin. Guess how they'll vote. :cry: :evil:
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sore shoulder wrote:I will be shocked, completely shocked, and elated if this passes.
Because it lets Illannoy and other LoserStates with no CCW to not have to be "forced" into dealing with us dirty CCW holders - but makes the "full faith and credit" rules apply to everyone else, just as they do for Drivers Licenses.

So Chicago and Mad City can vote "No" all they want because the bill doesn't apply to them anyway (unfortunately).
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rjs wrote:Ha, I've got Shumer and Klinton , :cry: Don't know which pair is worse !
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This is a good starting point for many bills. The other areas on the website sometimes have additional info on other bills...

http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm
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Maybe one doesn't have anything to do with the other, but I am reading that this is intended to apply to "public safety officers".

The text provided doesn't mention public safety officers or average citizens.

Does it apply to every concealed license holder or just to cops?

:?
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FWiedner wrote:Maybe one doesn't have anything to do with the other, but I am reading that this is intended to apply to "public safety officers".

The text provided doesn't mention public safety officers or average citizens.

Does it apply to every concealed license holder or just to cops?

:?
Everyone AFAIK. Cops already have Reciprocity.
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