OT-"NO SHRUG" attitude

Dastook · Post by **Dastook** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:29 pm

I really like to listen to Tom Greshamâ€™s "Gun Talk" on Sunday nights. At the beginning of the year he asked his listeners to adopt a "NO SHRUG" attitude. That is let no lie go by unchallenged. If you tell a lie long enough, loud enough without challenging it, for some reason it becomes truth. Iâ€™m sure all of us see this in one way or another everyday in the media and other places. This is the only method the â€œantisâ€

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:18 pm

I've adopted that attitude more and more in life, and it brings an inner sense of peace when you "do the right thing" - whatever the issue or realm.

I've tended to do this with gun laws and been an absolutist on that, but professionally, I'm looking at going back to the "old fashioned" direct care model where you provide the service to the patient, and they pay you. For too long, physicians have "shrugged off" the intrusions of the health insurance companies, and they have caused prices to go up and quality to go down. I think it is time for the shrugging to stop also; if the patients would quit shrugging (after all, the insurance company sucks money out of their employer, their own paycheck, and all the fees/copays for very little return in terms of ordinary care) we'd restore our once top-notch system to great quality at affordable cost.

I like that - no more shrugging...

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:36 pm

Joseph Goebles was the Nazi propaganda minister of the Third Reich. That was always his attitude. Repeat a lie long enough and loud enough and it becomes fact.

When someone tries to pass something like that as a truth I think it's important to say loud and long "THAT'S A LIE." No need to be tender towards their feeling either.

Jeeps · Post by **Jeeps** » Tue May 13, 2008 4:50 pm

I for one like to let others know my feelings on subjects, especially when I
don't agree with what they farting out of their mouths.

I've found myself to be wrong on occasion, but as long as I get folks to use
their minds I feel I've done something good regardless of the outcome.

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Tue May 13, 2008 5:19 pm

we need a no shrug smiley icon. I like the idea. I guess I have been doing that with the nightly news and such. Rush does it daily, so does hanady. count me in the no shrug club. right up there with the bible and guns club

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Tue May 13, 2008 5:25 pm

Tom's show is exactly what got me fired up to write so many letters. I use GOA's website to send most of them.

Andrew · Post by **Andrew** » Tue May 13, 2008 7:04 pm

Dastook, that is an awesome idea. I believe I have been doing just that more and more lately in life.

AJMD429, I couldn't agree with you more on that one. I hate medical anything after the last couple year's stuff.

DixieBoy · Post by **DixieBoy** » Tue May 13, 2008 8:22 pm

Amen ! I like everything I've read here, and I agree. There are too many foolish things being said every day which, if unchallenged, quickly become "conventional wisdom." Great post. - DixieBoy

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Tue May 13, 2008 8:51 pm

Jeeps wrote:I for one like to let others know my feelings on subjects, especially when I
don't agree with what they farting out of their mouths.

I've found myself to be wrong on occasion, but as long as I get folks to use
their minds I feel I've done something good regardless of the outcome.

Thats just like me. Probably why I get in arguements about once a week. My wife says its a good thing I'm not 6'4" and 250 pounds of muscle, because if I was, I would be beating up people on a regular basis. I absolutely despise liars. A bs'er is OK, but a liar needs the sixgun slug.-----------------Sixgun

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:46 am

Sixgun,

I totally agree. I'm about the same size as you, and my wife says I scare the hell out of people. I really don't see myself as a "big guy", but, hey, if people argue with me less, what the hell? I'm beginning to enjoy it a little, though, because I really don't want to fight anymore.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Wed May 14, 2008 7:19 am

AJMD429 wrote: I've tended to do this with gun laws and been an absolutist on that, but professionally, I'm looking at going back to the "old fashioned" direct care model where you provide the service to the patient, and they pay you. For too long, physicians have "shrugged off" the intrusions of the health insurance companies, and they have caused prices to go up and quality to go down. I think it is time for the shrugging to stop also; if the patients would quit shrugging (after all, the insurance company sucks money out of their employer, their own paycheck, and all the fees/copays for very little return in terms of ordinary care) we'd restore our once top-notch system to great quality at affordable cost.

I like that - no more shrugging...

I wish you could be my doctor!!!

Count me in on the "no shrug" team.

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Wed May 14, 2008 8:48 am

I just realised, I've heard of this before. We all have. "I'm MAD AS HELL, and I'm NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!"

Now, what movie was that in? (I'm only 30!)

505stevec · Post by **505stevec** » Wed May 14, 2008 11:15 am

"Evil prevails when good men do nothing" I have always tried to live by that axium. I am not always the most popular but neither were many who stood for right throughout history.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:09 pm

Ysabel Kid wrote:
I wish you could be my doctor!!!

Count me in on the "no shrug" team.

Lots of folks like the idea of "direct care" or the old-fashioned "fee for service" model, up until the point that they actually have to write a check for something the government and their employer has told them should for some reason be "free" (other than that little bit about the horrific insurance premium so quietly deducted from their paycheck, and matched by their kind employer with funds that would otherwise be available for a higher wage). Still, I think it is an idea whose time has come (or come again, after loony experiments with socialist, "managed" care turned out so bad).

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Wed May 14, 2008 10:20 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
Ysabel Kid wrote:
I wish you could be my doctor!!!

Count me in on the "no shrug" team.
Lots of folks like the idea of "direct care" or the old-fashioned "fee for service" model, up until the point that they actually have to write a check for something the government and their employer has told them should for some reason be "free" (other than that little bit about the horrific insurance premium so quietly deducted from their paycheck, and matched by their kind employer with funds that would otherwise be available for a higher wage). Still, I think it is an idea whose time has come (or come again, after loony experiments with socialist, "managed" care turned out so bad).

If my employer offered to pay me what they spend on premiums, I'd take it in a heartbeat. I'd get some catastrophic care insurance, but after that, just pay as I went for the "regular stuff". We'll never get health care costs under control when people think it is free or someone else is paying for it. No incentive to control one's use, ask questions, or shop around. Most people think a simple doctor's visit costs whatever their deductible is. If they paid the real cost, they wouldn't go in for every little thing. Apply the concept to other aspects of health care, and pretty soon you can drive out a lot of costs!

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:39 am

Ysabel Kid wrote: If my employer offered to pay me what they spend on premiums, I'd take it in a heartbeat. I'd get some catastrophic care insurance, but after that, just pay as I went for the "regular stuff". We'll never get health care costs under control when people think it is free or someone else is paying for it. No incentive to control one's use, ask questions, or shop around. Most people think a simple doctor's visit costs whatever their deductible is. If they paid the real cost, they wouldn't go in for every little thing. Apply the concept to other aspects of health care, and pretty soon you can drive out a lot of costs!

You need to run for president; why can't THEY figure this stuff out?

Unless McCain picks someone like Huckabee or Paul, maybe I'll write in "Ysabel Kid"

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Thu May 15, 2008 7:07 am

AJMD429 wrote:
Ysabel Kid wrote: You need to run for president; why can't THEY figure this stuff out?

Unless McCain picks someone like Huckabee or Paul, maybe I'll write in "Ysabel Kid"

Not to be presumptuous, but given the current choices, I do think I'd made a better choice!

I'd never get elected though. The media would paint me as a cruel, heartless, uncaring "typical white guy" obsessed with a 200+ year old document. When I would state that my intention would be to wipe out 3/4ths of what the government does - since it has no foundation in the Constitution - I'd lose support from Republicans and Democrats alike!

Still, it would be fun going down in history as "President Veto". It wouldn't have taken me 6 years, let alone 6 months, 6 weeks, 6 days, - probably not 6 hours before I had taken out that old "veto pen", that's for sure!

Thanks anyway!