P.S. I am not suggesting putting the .380 to use against bears.
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You are correct. I have no experience with the Ruger LCP, and only the .380 is available in California.Grizz wrote: I think the Shield is close to the same physical size as the XD, which is not nearly as compact or concealable as the LCP.
That seems like a good evaluation of this neat little gun.retmech wrote:The big advantage of the Ruger LCP...
IMO, the problem is that "close is only for horseshoes, and hand grenades" Unless you drill the heart, I'd rather have expansion, and a larger wound cavity so that if I'm only close to the heart, or central nervous center, perhaps I'll get more of an effect. With .45acp fmj, I don't worry about that. It's pretty disruptive on it's own. I'll offer the Stop & Rob shooting down the street from me as exhibit "1"...The shop owner was shot with a .380 FMJ, in the shoulder, and walked to the bus....I carry the FMJ FP in the Ruger LCP.
In water jug penetration tests it goes as far as the 9mm Gold Dots I carry in my XD Sub Compact.
Your 45 would still leave the guy walking to the bus....The shop owner was shot with a .380 FMJ, in the shoulder, and walked to the bus....
That is an exciting new concept, and I've been following it. But bear in mind that it does not have a perfectly round bullet. That may not prove a problem with feeding. But please double check the link I provided -Bill in Oregon wrote:Looks like that Lehigh all-copper slug as loaded by Lehigh and Underwood is the go-to for personal defense with a .380.
I can only say I hope you can get those bad guys to stand still for the throat shot, and that when you accidently miss that moving target that no innocents behind the BG are shot. As I've said before, with a mouse gun, I fully intend on emptying the mag, or, on the collapse of the BG....Grizz wrote:Your 45 would still leave the guy walking to the bus....The shop owner was shot with a .380 FMJ, in the shoulder, and walked to the bus....
On contact with bone, the jacket would prolly separate, and rip a hole out the back.
If I ever (God forbid) have to shoot someone I will shoot for the throat to eyeball oval.
I generally hit what I shoot at. And I want penetration to sever spine or medula.
I know of a couple of murders with LCPs. One in Seattle where the perp shot a man for his cell phone. Bullet went thru sternum and severed the spine.
I fervently hope I never have to test this out on 2-leg beasts.
The Browning features a solid, slotted cam in the under-barrel lug, not a swinging link like the full-sized 1911..Bill in Oregon wrote:I'll admit that little Browning is somewhat dainty, but it does fire from a swinging-link locked breech just like the 1911. I would think it a bit sturdier than blowbacks, but I am no gun designer.
Well... yer right. I heard the intro on the YouTube video and he was talking about not bothering to look any further with the HST brand now offering .380's - but I watched the whole thing today. It doesn't cut the mustard for .380.Bill in Oregon wrote:John, the HST looks like a great choice for 9mm and above.
That sure makes sense to me!Bill in Oregon wrote:Well, I just brought home the test bed 1911 .380 ...it works like a 1911 and can safely be carried in Condition 1... I rate comfort, muscle memory and confidence with a handgun pretty highly.
That's real nice. Probably more civilized to shoot than the LCP. I don't like shooting mine. Sucker draws blood on the top of trigger finger after a few dozen rounds. There's always that Action/Reaction penalty for small centerfire shooters....