Help identify this tang and lever

crs · Post by **crs** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:20 pm

It is not mine!

Terry Murbach · Post by **Terry Murbach** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:21 pm

I AM PRETTY SURE THAT TANG IS OFF A POON AND THE LEVER IS OFF A MCGUFFEY PRIMER AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE THE LEAD PENCIL THAT YOU NEEDED TO OPERATE IT....

rimshot here please......

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:23 pm

Uhhh it came from a gun. Probably about a meter or so long. Wood and metal. You know the type. Long and skinny... I think.

oldgerboy · Post by **oldgerboy** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:02 pm

Just looks like some recyclable old metal junk ... go ahead and send it to me ... I know what to do with it ... I'm into recycling

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:29 pm

Kansas Ed · Post by **Kansas Ed** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:43 pm

If I had to bet, my bet would be on the model 64 Winchester. Lower tang has the blocks on the side which slide into the receiver like a '94. Also has the round pin hole in the lower tang which was the trigger block safety like the early '94's, and the slot behind the trigger opening.

The Lever confuses me a little, as the '94's I thought had a slot just forward of the trigger loop, but yours shows a triangular cutout. Perhaps someone on here with a model '64 will comment.

Ed

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:01 pm

I second Kansas Ed`s guess. Looks 94 ish to me!!

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:07 pm

I've never seen a 94 tang like that. I don't know what spring/hammer would fit that.

Maybe the lever. I've never seen a curved 94 lever.

These are for a fellow forumite trying to do a straight to curved conversion on a 94.

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:19 pm

The hole in the lever just ahead of the trigger bow looks sloted to me and that is normal. Its either 64 or 94 pistol grip mod. 64 spring should work and 94 trigger also should fit.

The picture of the lever is not very good.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:34 pm

Would not the curve of the tang put the spring at an odd angle?

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:38 pm

What's the extra hole?

Andrew · Post by **Andrew** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:50 pm

Tycer wrote:I've never seen a curved 94 lever.

You've never dropped one out of a high enough tree.

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Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:11 pm

This is why I like Marlins.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:25 pm

It IS for a Model 64 Winchester or Model 94 with a pistol grip of early vintage. The block at the rear of the lower tang is for the stock screw. Winchester used many different slots in their levers for the link pin. The holes in the bottom of the tang are (from the rear): mainspring; mainspring tension screw; unknown; trigger block; and trigger.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:30 pm

Griff, do you think a different spring set is used for the curved tang?

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:43 am

Tycer wrote:Griff, do you think a different spring set is used for the curved tang?

Probably is different Tycer.
The old Marlins used different springs for pistol & straight grip.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:26 am

My 2bits worth.

That is NOT a Mdl 94 Winchester lever or tang. The lever does not have the friction stud that holds the action closed. The tang is a bit too different.

It looks a lot like a mld 71 or what ever the upgraded version of the 92 was.

But it's not a Win 94 of any vintage.

Joe

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:23 pm

JMiller, it most certainly is a Mdl 94 with pistol grip or a Mdl 64 lower tang. The friction stud is in the link, not the lever or lower tang.

Here is a pic from my 1972 Mdl 64A showing the double mainspring and flat-bottomed hammer.

The screw boss is now cast into the lower tang, whereas previous mdl 64s were made with a bent lower tang, and show much more variance in the amount of curve to the lower tang, lever and resulting pistol grip.
The Model 64 lower tang is a little more than a curved 94 tang with an angled boss for the stock screw:

The only hole I can't identify in the rather blurry photo is the middle one. It is offset from the center of the tang, but is spaced and on the wrong side to be the trigger block safety interrupt. Wish I had a bottom picture of Bobcat's mdl 64 as it would show the same holes and spacing (less the "extra" one in Tycer's pic).

Joe, the '86, '92, & 71 models do not use a trigger block safety, so that would also be wrong. It is too short to be a '73, and I've not seen a pistol gripped '76. The scale and such seem to be just perfect for a mdl 94 or 64 Winnie. As is the lever.

Tycer, the mainsprings for all 94 based Winchesters are the same for the period in which they were produced.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:30 pm

Griff,

You're right. I realized that some time after I had my brain fanny burp and posted the above. The tang just did not look like a 94 tang to me. Still doesn't even with the pic you posted. But like I've said before, I've haven't seen everything yet.

Joe

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:35 pm

No prob Joe. I certainly ain't perfect, not even in the running. But, I am curious about that extra hole. I've never seen one before, but; like you said, I ain't seen 'em all yet! (I have about 10 lower tangs hanging around, most are junk, but none with that "extra" hole.)

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:36 pm

Griff wrote:J
Tycer, the mainsprings for all 94 based Winchesters are the same for the period in which they were produced.

As I thought originally.

Model 64s use different ones for straight and curved tangs. As far as I can tell from the parts lists I've been able to find online. Makes sense from the parts pic of the older 64.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:13 pm

Tycer wrote:
Griff wrote:J
Tycer, the mainsprings for all 94 based Winchesters are the same for the period in which they were produced.
As I thought originally.
Model 64s use different ones for straight and curved tangs. As far as I can tell from the parts lists I've been able to find online. Makes sense from the parts pic of the older 64.

No, the model 64 and 94 use the same mainspring. For the 64A and 94 of like vintage they use the same mainspring. The Centennial Model & Legacy (later pistol gripped 94s) used the same mainspring and lower tang parts as the std 94. I had a mdl 64 lower tang at one time, but was missing the stock screw boss, and I ain't a machinist so I sold it. But... it came to me with all the parts intact. I used them on an older straight gripped 94. AFAIK, ALL mdl 64s have curved lower tangs.

20cows · Post by **20cows** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:43 am

Is the "extra" hole not the one for the trigger return/lever safety? I'll have to look at the pre-1902 tangs (out in the cold shop this morning) and look.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:31 pm

20cows wrote:Is the "extra" hole not the one for the trigger return/lever safety? I'll have to look at the pre-1902 tangs (out in the cold shop this morning) and look.

Ok, decided to look thru my collection of lower tangs this morning. Found this one:

And have identified the hole. It's threaded to take a small screw from inside the lower tang. This screw holds a wire shaped spring that holds the sear and trigger block safety in their "down" position. I probably have the screw and spring somewhere around here. But, a quick search couldn't locate them.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:46 pm

Slowly, slowly, the dawn lights in the dim recesses of the mind.

Well, since I find it hard to describe things, one of my wife's big complaint's, I knew if I searched I'd find an example of the tang in question and the proper parts for completing it. This one being a straight example, that ain't all corroded up. I acquired it... somewhere! Let's not get too optimistic shall we.

Pictured below are two views of the proper trigger block safety and the wire spring which holds it and the sear "down" in their "at rest" position.

From the bottom:

From the inside of the tang:

Hopefully, that helps someone besides myself visualize what it should look like!

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:38 am

I've always wanted a curved grip Winchester lever action. They just feel like your hand belongs there. Same for the OLD BLR's, but I don't like the bolt trying to poke me in the teeth when I shoot fast.