OH NO, BANNED AGAIN, THIS TIME BY THE RUGERFORUM.NET....

Terry Murbach · Post by **Terry Murbach** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:00 am

I DEFENDED JOHN LINEBAUGH AND JOHN TAFFIN FROM THE BLATANT LIES OF SOME BLOWHARD NINNY IN BLAIR, NEBRASKA WHO WAS TRASHING BOTH JOHN'S REP TO ENHANCE HIS OWN, I THINK. HE BLAMED BOTH FOR ALL THE BLOWN UP SIXGUNS SINCE THEY WERE BOTH "ELMER KEITH WANNABEE'S". I'LL BE DOUBLE-D darned IF I'LL LET SUCH SCURRILOUS TRASH STAND FROM ANYONE. I ACCUSED HIM OF OBVIOUSLY NOT READING A THING THAT EITHER MAN WROTE OR HE WOULD NOT HAVE ARRIVED AT SUCH IGNORENT CONCLUSIONS. AND LO...AND BEHOLD...I AM NOW ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN AT THE NEW RUGERFORUM.NET....OH WOE IS ME !!! LET ME NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT CARL LACO'S RUGER FORUM IN WHICH HE BROOKS NO LIES, NO BALONIE, AND NO SHENANIGANS FROM CHARLATONS.

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:04 am

Do they even know who they are messing with ?

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:08 am

Tell 'em the Asprin Joke....that'll get ya set straight

Bullard4075 · Post by **Bullard4075** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:47 am

What was the name of the thread Terry ?

O.S.O.K. · Post by **O.S.O.K.** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:49 am

Here you go Terry - can't hurt! http://www.dalecarnegie.com/seolanding/ ... DCTraining

They'll teach you how to handle the SCURRILOUS TRASH and not get kicked off the boards.

Terry Murbach · Post by **Terry Murbach** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:50 am

Bullard4075 wrote:What was the name of the thread Terry ?

It was in the reloading section under 38+P+P+P+P.

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:04 pm

Terry

Are we seeing kinda a pattern here

Do you feel a little anxious.

That poor man,I bet now he feels upset/bad about himself!
If you post an apology on six major US newspapers,they might let you back in!

Now,Please look way down below here!

Its a JOKE! GOTCH YA! You are alright by me friend!

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:16 pm

Terry, I've read many of your posts with interest in the short time I've been a member here and I'm impressed with your knowledge, but I must admit that mikld's comment about your 'curmudgeon' tendencies (http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... 44#p327744) has some truth to it and I'm guessing had an impact on Rugerform.net's decision.

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:17 pm

A man's got to do what a man's got to do and that's the plain and simple truth to that. Those can't handle the truth need to go shovel their thoughts some where else. And, if that get's me kicked off, so be it. I can sleep with that. Good on ya, Terry.

Post by **Hobie** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:40 pm

Interesting.... Terry, you might have done your usual "thing" and been painfully blunt but I had to sign up just to say this...
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Well, this is very interesting. OSOK, thank you for your reasonable response.

Our good friend "Wil Terry" is well known for his curmudgeonly attitude and for his righteous defense of his friends. He is also well known for his many, many years of experience in both commercial ammunition production and in hobby reloading. I think it is indeed over the top to say such things as

Linebaugh and Taffin are "Elmer Keith wannabes" and are directly responsible for damaging a lot of guns. I take their "hot loads" as a quest to see how far they can push the envelope, not a practical application for good reloading techniques. Both Taffin and Linebaugh use the concept "if the gun doesn't blow up, the load must be safe".

are, at the least, an irresponsible misrepresentation of their writing, experience/personal history, or characters. This doesn't mention the implied disrespect for Mr. Elmer Keith who conducted his experiments at the end of a long supply line, on his own hook, and was a stand-up guy whose many innovations and loading recommendations have stood the test of time and been found to have a scientific basis for success despite being arrived at intuitively.

I see that Wil has been "dishonorably discharged", I would expect the same for any person who makes a personal attack on another forum member. If you would like, feel free to visit us at Paco Kelly's Leverguns forum where we maintain relatively (for the internet forums) high standards of conduct and Mr. Murbach has been a member in good standing for many years.

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:43 pm

Hang in there Terry. It's sad to say, but many forums don't like those that speak their mind (when it differs with the forum admins). Got booted off of Marlin Owners for refusing to follow the party line. No great loss. If you need another place to frequent, cruise on over to http://www.levergunlovers.com/index.php Were pretty much a bunch of outlaws that have been booted from one forum (mostly Marlin Owners) or another. Besides, I like it when you yell at us

Keeps us awake.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:50 pm

Their collective loss.

william iorg · Post by **william iorg** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:11 pm

OSAK,
Thank you for your post on the Ruger forum. I was reading the thread and about to join for the purpose of making a similar post.
When I started loading for the 30-30AI Terry Murbach was the only person who stepped up with “been there – done that” load information and pointed me in the right direction, saving a lot of wasted effort. Later Terry wrote the piece on the 3” full lug 38 Spl Kit Gun he dubbed the: “Trail Masterpiece” I have had a lot of fun loading for and shooting this revolver through the years.
I have a great deal of respect for Terry Murbach and feel I have benefited a great deal from his willingness to share his knowledge with others.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:42 pm

Well done terry

In a gun fight I want you on my side

You stick to your high principles our friend

Nath.

Terry Murbach · Post by **Terry Murbach** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:57 pm

THANKS FOR THE KIND WORDS, GUYS. I AM JUST OFF THE PHONE WITH JOHN TAFFIN WHO READ TO ME ALL THE THINGS SAID IN MY DEFENSE AT THAT RUGER SITE BY YOU MEN. NOWE I SEE SOME OF THOSE THINGS POSTED HERE AND IT IS MOST GRATIFYING TO ME THAT YOU SEE WHAT I DID WAS NOT WRONG BUT WAS IN DEFENSE FROM BALDFACED LIES.
I AM GREATFUL FOR YOUR KINDNESSES AND ALSO FOR REALLY UNDERSTANDING THE FACT THAT I WAS DEFENDING TWO MEN I HOLD IN THE HIGHEST ESTEEM FROM A TRULY SCURILOUS AND IGNORENT ATTACK BY A SELF SERVING BLOWHARD.

MANY OF YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT JOHN TAFFIN AND I ARE REALLY AND TRULY BROTHERS. TWENTY YEARS AGO WE ADAPTED EACH OTHER AS HE WAS IN REAL NEED OF A KID BROTHER AND I WAS IN THE DIREST OF NEEDS FOR A BIG BROTHER. AT TIMES I AM HIS SEVEREST CRITIC AND AT TIMES HE IS MY SEVEREST CRITIC BUT AT ALL TIMES WE STAND TOGETHER IN THE GAP BEFORE THE LAND.

Chas. · Post by **Chas.** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:19 pm

Well, all I've got to say is...

WIL TERRY wrote:...But, after loading well over 850,000 rounds, working for two highly successful ammunition companies, and getting paid a LOT for what I know....

when's the book coming out?

KSRtrd · Post by **KSRtrd** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 3:42 pm

Terry, John Taffin writtings in various magazines have always been a sale to me, you guys are down to earth. No reason in the world for anyone to take a dressing down by some dude.

CowboyTutt · Post by **CowboyTutt** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:15 pm

Sounds like they banned the wrong guy! Grrrrr.

-Tutt

Charles · Post by **Charles** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:37 pm

Terry... Although we have never met in person, we have crossed paths many, many times on various gunboards over the years. From time to time we have even made "common cause" against some of the idiots that populate such places.

Are you hard headed? Yes!, Do you pull no punches? Yes! Do you speak your mind? Yes! Will you call a fool a fool, at the drop of a hat? Yes you will. Are you loyal and true to you friends and the truth? Yes, you are! Don't ever change!!! You are like all of the men in my family. Men whom I love, respect and upon whiom I model my life.

I have never been kicked off a board, altlhough I have got some strong PMs from various moderators. I seem to bend the line, but not cross it. Sometimes it worries me that I have not been kicked off some boards. At times I think I may have been too weak in the defense of the truth.

I don't know if our paths will ever cross, but should they it will be one of the proudest days of my life to shake your hand and call you friend.

My Grandfather told me "If you don't want to pee folks off, then don't ever say nothing, don't every do nothing and don't every be nothing.". Hang in there Terry for you indeed ARE SOMEBODY. You are a unique and valuable asset to this world.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:39 pm

Terry Murbach wrote:
Bullard4075 wrote:What was the name of the thread Terry ?
It was in the reloading section under 38+P+P+P+P.

I registered so I could get kicked off, but that thread is not there anymore

Mich Hunter · Post by **Mich Hunter** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:57 pm

I have had the chance to share a few cups of coffee (and a couple beers) with Mr. Murbach. They don't make men like him anymore. The man is a wealth of knowledge. I probably learned more from him in a couple hours then I have from any other man about guns and such. Probably the most stand up guy you could meet too.

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:21 pm

Good on you, Terry - It makes no sense, to suffer fools lightly.

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gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:26 pm

I admire a man that stands by his friends, especially when they are attacked.

Well done TERRY, my respects to you sir.

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:31 pm

You did right Terry, it is their loss.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:37 pm

Yep, I looked for it too and didn't see anything.

Is there more than one Ruger forum?

SIXGUNNER · Post by **SIXGUNNER** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:49 pm

WE CAN ALL REST WELL KNOWING YOU HAVE BEEN KICKED OUT OF A WHOLE BETTER PLACES THAN THAT ONE!!!

Terry Murbach · Post by **Terry Murbach** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:26 pm

SIXGUNNER wrote:WE CAN ALL REST WELL KNOWING YOU HAVE BEEN KICKED OUT OF A WHOLE BETTER PLACES THAN THAT ONE!!!

OKAY, NOW THAT YOU FINALLY FIGGERED OUT HOW TO GET HERE WE WANT TO SEE ALL YOUR LEVERGUNS FROM A TO Z AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN . START WITH YOUR ENGRAVED HENRY. BE QUICK ABOUT AS WE HAVE SHORT ATTENTION SPANS OVER HERE AS WE MIGHT OTHER DRAGONS TO SLAY ELSEWHERE TODAY...

SIXGUNNER · Post by **SIXGUNNER** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:33 pm

Rusty wrote:Yep, I looked for it too and didn't see anything.

Is there more than one Ruger forum?

THERE ARE TWO. rugerforum.com IS CARL LACO'S; rugerforum.net IS TERRY'S FAVORITE PLACE TO BE BANNED FROM!!

SIXGUNNER · Post by **SIXGUNNER** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:34 pm

Terry Murbach wrote:
SIXGUNNER wrote:WE CAN ALL REST WELL KNOWING YOU HAVE BEEN KICKED OUT OF A WHOLE BETTER PLACES THAN THAT ONE!!!
OKAY, NOW THAT YOU FINALLY FIGGERED OUT HOW TO GET HERE WE WANT TO SEE ALL YOUR LEVERGUNS FROM A TO Z AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN . START WITH YOUR ENGRAVED HENRY. BE QUICK ABOUT AS WE HAVE SHORT ATTENTION SPANS OVER HERE AS WE MIGHT OTHER DRAGONS TO SLAY ELSEWHERE TODAY...

GO SLAY YONDER DRAGONS WHILE I GET ORGANIZED.

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:19 pm

link to thread for those that havent located it yet --- wild stuff

http://rugerforum.net/reloading/21645-38-spl-p-p-p.html

.45colt · Post by **.45colt** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:31 pm

It's funny how the world is full of self appointed experts who don't respect their Elders or their Betters. I worked with a shooter when talking about Keith's original load for the .44magnum said "that much 2400 won't fit in the case".

.Give'im the works Terry.

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:38 pm

Oh, it's still there alright.

http://rugerforum.net/reloading/21645-38-spl-p-p-p.html

Terry, they just don't appreciate a little adult conversation!

"Dishonorably Discharged", give me a break!

vancelw · Post by **vancelw** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:26 pm

I just like how the OP in that asked a simple question about whether something could or could not be done.
What ensued was a bunch of "I wouldn't" and "You shouldn't" remarks, and negative opinions of others were used to bolster the BS.

I really liked the "sit down and shut up" type reply.

Sheeeeese. I'm going out to the shop to reload some .45 Colt cowboy loads. I hope that's okay with the Ruger net. I don't think I'll ever be over there asking their opinion.

Terry Murbach, I'll be coming throught your neck of the words 2 or 4 times this year. I'll roll the window down and wave at you, unless you frequent a coffee shop and could use some company.

pokey · Post by **pokey** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:30 pm

sit down, be quiet, and listen you might learn something

terry you NOOB.

i might have to sign up there, just to laugh at those goobers.

it's probly not right to laugh at someones ignorance[ unless it's your own] but i can't help myself.

keep on being you, terry.

Bogie35 · Post by **Bogie35** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:39 pm

I'm grateful to have Terry Murbach on my side.

You're a man of principle Terry. Don't ever feel the need to "change" in order to "fit in" with a bunch of morons. It's their loss. In fact, if you got kicked off every forum on the internet, it wouldn't change my view of you.
I thank you for the wisdom you've shared and for the joy you've given me and my son.

TERRY in 2012!

bogie

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:30 pm

Griff wrote:Their collective loss.

+1

Don't sweat it Terry. Hopefully it just means you can spend more time with us!

Doc Hudson · Post by **Doc Hudson** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:51 pm

madman4570 wrote:Terry
Are we seeing kinda a pattern here
Do you feel a little anxious. That poor man,I bet now he feels upset/bad about himself!
If you post an apology on six major US newspapers,they might let you back in!

Now,Please look way down below here!

Its a JOKE! GOTCH YA! You are alright by me friend!

Good thing its a joke, cause Terry ain't a good enough liar to make six apologies of which he wouldn't mean a word.

Give'em hell Terry!

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:52 pm

Yeah Terry, you NOOB !!

I remember seeing a pic of you , Taffin and a few other "wild buch" lookin folk all together from about 35 years ago .

I still dont wanna challenge any of you guys to an arm wrestling match !!

but take it with a grain of salt, this internet generation still "ain't right in the head" a lot of times.
I read the ruger thread twice tho-- still can't see what would justify a "discharge" tho--- just looked like a bit of spirited debate to me (freakin amateurs)

C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:57 pm

Terry!!!!

ps...I'm just glad he wasn't loading for the 45 Schofield.

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:17 am

Doc Hudson wrote:
madman4570 wrote:Terry
Are we seeing kinda a pattern here
Do you feel a little anxious. That poor man,I bet now he feels upset/bad about himself!
If you post an apology on six major US newspapers,they might let you back in!

Now,Please look way down below here!

Its a JOKE! GOTCH YA! You are alright by me friend!

Good thing its a joke, cause Terry ain't a good enough liar to make six apologies of which he wouldn't mean a word.

Give'em hell Terry!

Its that forums loss Doc! To bad,they could have learned a lot more stuff from Terry.
The good side is we have him more of the time on here.!

See ya!

SIXGUNNER · Post by **SIXGUNNER** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:08 am

TODAY IS TERRY'S BIG DAY!!! THEY HAVE SEEN THE ERROR OF THEIR WAYS AT rugerforum.net AND HIS DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE HAS BEEN RESCINDED AND HE HAS BEEN REINSTATED. WHAT A GLOROIUS DAY THIS IS!!!

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:34 am

Good to hear!

horsesoldier03 · Post by **horsesoldier03** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:46 am

WOW, never seen a forum with so much RANK involved; and about the smartest comment came from a member only ranked a LCPL! Quoting BLUCHEVY94 on the Ruger Forum... "So after three days, a bunch of ruffled feathers, 40 replies and a banned member: yes, you can load 38 Spl. over SAAMI listed pressures and some guns will take the abuse, but no, you probably shouldn't do it."

Almost makes me want to join the Ruger forum to so that I can congratulate him!

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:56 am

Terry,

As I am sure you know, you must be true to yourself, and to your friends, and family, and to your God. For anything else is pure folly. You have always been such. I admire the wealth of knowledge and your opinions in my life, and on any forum I would visit. Blessings. (I would say it was their loss but now that your reinstated, its their gain)

O.S.O.K. · Post by **O.S.O.K.** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:04 am

Well, I guess the cat's out of the bag

Here's the post by Iowegan over there (who is a board staffer):

"Hobie, Thanks for your response and opinions. First .... Mr Wil Terry. He was not canned because of his difference in opinion ... it was his name calling and general demeanor. He may be one of the most experienced people on the Internet but I don't personally know him nor did I challenge his credibility like he did with me. The forums are a strange thing ... people tend to be what they want to be, not necessarily what they really are. Based on your input, Wil was probably very honest but I think everyone agrees ... people that claim vast experience are often trying to bullshit their way into credibility. Wil is welcome back but the caveat is ... no more name calling or flaming other members, including myself. If he disagrees with someone's opinion, there are ways to get his point across without calling someone stupid or attacking their credibility.

Now for my comments on Taffin and Linebaugh. I have very high respect for both of them and Elmer Keith too. No one can argue ... they have all played a huge role in developing the shooting industry and deserve utmost respect, which I admittedly portrayed in poor taste. My issue with them and other magazine writers is not their credibility but how people use their information. As I'm sure you know, many people just scan an article then go to the bottom line for reloading data. Never mind the fact that a specific gun was clearly identified in the tests ... some reloader will plug the data into their loads, often with devastating results. Maybe the guy used a different bullet or seated it too deep. Maybe they substituted another component or fired the load in a lesser strength gun. In my 31 years of gunsmithing, I had a good many guns come in the shop with excessive pressure damage ... often not repairable. Sometimes it was just a brain fanny burp that resulted in an over charge but often it was when some person copied a load out of one of the many gun magazines. John & John tend to publish very hot loads. No doubt, they do their research first and don't just start by guessing. You must admit ... they both push the envelope well beyond established SAAMI standards. So ... wearing my gunsmith hat, I see this more as a danger than a service. That's strictly my opinion and I don't expect agreement from other members. My solution .... buy a more powerful gun rather than push the limits and risk gun damage or personal injury.

My sincere apologies to John Taffin, John Linebaugh, and anyone on the forum that was offended by my comments.
__________________
GLB"

I guess Terry is included in that last sentence....

txpete · Post by **txpete** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:07 am

I got banned there when it was first starting up

I see things haven't changed much.

.

pete

SIXGUNNER · Post by **SIXGUNNER** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:29 am

Now for my comments on Taffin and Linebaugh. I have very high respect for both of them and Elmer Keith too. No one can argue ... they have all played a huge role in developing the shooting industry and deserve utmost respect, which I admittedly portrayed in poor taste. My issue with them and other magazine writers is not their credibility but how people use their information. As I'm sure you know, many people just scan an article then go to the bottom line for reloading data. Never mind the fact that a specific gun was clearly identified in the tests ... some reloader will plug the data into their loads, often with devastating results. Maybe the guy used a different bullet or seated it too deep. Maybe they substituted another component or fired the load in a lesser strength gun.

"HOW PEOPLE USE THEIR INFORMATION"!!! ALL THE INFORMATION IS ALWAYS THERE BUT WHEN THOSE WHO CAN'T OR WON'T READ GET INTO TROUBLE IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND NO ONE ELSE'S. I'VE SEEN SEVERAL MARLINS AND A RUGER #1 RIFLE BLOWN BECAUSE SOMEONE USED THE WRONG POWDER. "I THOUGHT RE-7 AND AA7 WERE THE SAME"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2X22 · Post by **2X22** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:02 am

I find it interesting that folks equate being new to a site to be new to the industry/sport and that lack of posts mean a lack of experience. I see it on nearly every site I visit, weight lifting sites that I visit are the worst, as I tend to be a lurker for the most part and don't post many places just for that reason.

If they reinstated Terry, they will at some point understand the experience they have access to.
2x22

mikld · Post by **mikld** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:08 am

JUST FUNNY, MR. MURBACH CAN TYPE CORRECTLY, THAT IS WITHOUT YELLING, ON OTHER FORUMS! ME THINKS HE KEEPS HIS BEST (OR WORST!) JUST FOR LEVERGUNS.COM.

YOU KNOW, IT'S OK TO BE OPINIONATED, AND HAVE A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE TO SHARE, BUT TO COME OFF LIKE THAT IS JUST PLAIN RUDE. AN *** IS STILL AN *** NO MATTER HOW SMART HE IS...

AUTO CENSOR TOOK OUT DONKEY'S BEHIND AND INSERTED ASTERICKS.

O.S.O.K. · Post by **O.S.O.K.** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:19 am

2X22 wrote:I find it interesting that folks equate being new to a site to be new to the industry and if lack of posts mean a lack of experience. I see it on nearly every site I visit, weight lifting sites that I visit are the worst, as I tend to be a lurker for the most part and don't post many places just for that reason.

If they reinstated Terry, they will at some point understand the experience they have access to.
2x22

What's even worse, is that lots of posts is somehow equated with knowledge or experience....

And I will say that at least Iowegan had the good sense to back off of his remarks and make and appology - maybe not directly to Terry, but, well it's much better than is often the case. After all, Terry did rip him one pretty good

I've been reading and making a few posts over there and they seem to be a pretty good bunch overall. I try and stay in touch on quite a few different boards and so, have something to compare.