450/400 vs 45-70

[rjohns94]

I was asked a while back to show a picture of the 450/400 which I did, but it was a poor picture, showing no perspective. Below is attached a picture showing the 450/400 with a 400 grain RNSP and the 45-70 standard factory remington green box 350 grainers. The 450/400 will be feeding my my Sauer side by side double.

[86er]

It should be noted that the 450/400 3" has a .409-.411 bullet with a SD over .300 (around .318) and going 2150 fps. The 45-70 can't really get a 400gr going more than 2000 fps safely and without pressure problems and the .458 diameter bullet has a SD less than .300 (.276 I think). So, the 450/400 3" bullet will penetrate further, and in more direct line than the 45-70's bullet. Also, very few 400 gr .458 expanding bullets will withstand over 2000 fps. The solids would, obviously, not be affected.

450/400 3" is a great cartridge and one of my favorite!

[Hobie]

It was an Elmer Keith and Jim Corbett favorite, too, wasn't it?

[rjohns94]

yes, and it was a favorite in Africa until the .375 H&H came along. I'm thinking its going to be a wonderful hunting rifle.

[2ndovc]

Have we seen the rifle yet?


I think I missed this one! Always wanted a double!!


jb

[rjohns94]

I posted it before, but here is the slide show. I took lots of pictures, sorry.

[2ndovc]

Sweet!

That should make a heck of a squirrel gun!



jb

[Alan Wood]

Sweet!

That should make a heck of a squirrel gun!



jb

Something that big on a squirrel. You proposing to vaporise it or eat it.

[JReed]

Sweet!

That should make a heck of a squirrel gun!



jb

Something that big on a squirrel. You proposing to vaporise it or eat it.

Hey it saves the hassle of cleaning.

Nice gun RJohns that should do the trick.

[kaschi]

Ruger is presently offering the Number 1 in 450/400 aren't they? Didn't know the answer to that for sure w/out a little digging. To those of you who have fired a rifle chambered for this round: What is the recoil like(compared to other large calibers)?

[rjohns94]

yes ruger makes a #1 in this caliber. My favorite pusher has one. This rifle is very easy to handle as a double, kicks about the same as a 375 H&H but not as sharp. I liken it to the recoil of my 12 bore Paradox rifle barrel, and a bit more than the 9,3x74R double I have. Does not kick as much as the 475 nitro.

[sore shoulder]

The 45-70 can't really get a 400gr going more than 2000 fps safely and without pressure problems

Pfffft!!!!!!

[Nath]

That looks like a very elligant gun Mike, the range report should be good and I can not wait:)

Nath.

[TedH]

Mike are you handloading this one? If so, are you loading any reduced loads, and if so, how is the regulation?

[rjohns94]

Ted, I plan on reloading for it. I have shot the solids and the RNSP to the same point of impact. I'm going to have a cast bullet mold made and will reload them. Will be fun to work into a nice a load with it. I'm currently casting rounds for my paradox. I will post when i get to reloading for this. You seemed to have found a good load for your rifle.

[TedH]

Yes, I have successfully duplicated with cast bullets the performance/regulation of the Federal factory ammo with which the rifle was regulated.

Now I am revisiting the reduced loads to try and find something that will come close to regulating at 500-600 fps slower, and make shooting this brute a little more enjoyable.

[Sixgun]

Mike,
That double has some serious meat around the chambers! How much does the rifle weigh?

Nice rifle and one (double rifle) I have never played with. Are the barrels fixed (regulated) to hit at one point of aim at a certain distance. I have always wondered if they will shoot 2 or 3 feet apart at say, 300 yards.--------------Sixgun

[rjohns94]

They are regulated at 50 meters and shoots at about 1.25 inches with two, two shot strings. I haven't shot it at 100 yards yet and I'm not likely to shoot it much past that. The rifle is right at 7.5 pounds.

[pharmseller]

My goodness! Why not just beat them to death with a bowling ball?


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