Soggy Day at the Range w/PICS
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Soggy Day at the Range w/PICS
I was really wanting to go shooting today, so I didn't let the darn rain keep me inside. In between showers I got in some shooting with the Marlin 356 Win, Marlin 218 Bee and the new-to-me 357 Blackhawk. Plus, there weren't any others as dumb as me to be out there, so I had the whole place to myself.
I just mounted on the 218 what I believe to be the perfect scope for this little levergun, a Leupold 2-7x28 Compact (thanks TNBigBore ). After a few shots to get her dialed in, I shot this dandy group with ammo from Custom Cartridge. It's loaded with the Hornady 45 gr. bullet at 2650 measured through my chronograph.
Then I had several 356 Win. loads with bullets I cast from Ranch Dog's 35 cal. mold. The winner was 38.0 gr. of H335 which gave a velocity of 2025 fps. 5 shots about 1.5"
The Blackhawk gave me a little trouble. The base pin kept wanting to jump the latch, even with light loads. It feels like there is adequate tension on the latch, but something is not right with it.
As far as accuracy goes, it was kind of hit and miss. Some loads, even light loads, wanted to string vertically. The best load of the day was the one I really wanted to do well. It was my 185 gr. cast bullet with 15.0 gr. of LilGun. That dude was smoking out of the Blackhawk at 1256 fps with outstanding accuracy. It's hard to tell from the target because the paper was soggy, but there are six shots there about the size of a silver dollar, and that's about as good as I can do with iron sights at 25 yards.
Here's one of the lighter loads I tried with a 158 gr. SWC at 950 fps. It shows the extreme vertical stringing.
Any ideas on what's causing that?
Also, what can be done with the cylinder base pin jumping out? I've only had one Blackhawk in the past and it was a 44, but it never gave me any trouble like this.
I just mounted on the 218 what I believe to be the perfect scope for this little levergun, a Leupold 2-7x28 Compact (thanks TNBigBore ). After a few shots to get her dialed in, I shot this dandy group with ammo from Custom Cartridge. It's loaded with the Hornady 45 gr. bullet at 2650 measured through my chronograph.
Then I had several 356 Win. loads with bullets I cast from Ranch Dog's 35 cal. mold. The winner was 38.0 gr. of H335 which gave a velocity of 2025 fps. 5 shots about 1.5"
The Blackhawk gave me a little trouble. The base pin kept wanting to jump the latch, even with light loads. It feels like there is adequate tension on the latch, but something is not right with it.
As far as accuracy goes, it was kind of hit and miss. Some loads, even light loads, wanted to string vertically. The best load of the day was the one I really wanted to do well. It was my 185 gr. cast bullet with 15.0 gr. of LilGun. That dude was smoking out of the Blackhawk at 1256 fps with outstanding accuracy. It's hard to tell from the target because the paper was soggy, but there are six shots there about the size of a silver dollar, and that's about as good as I can do with iron sights at 25 yards.
Here's one of the lighter loads I tried with a 158 gr. SWC at 950 fps. It shows the extreme vertical stringing.
Any ideas on what's causing that?
Also, what can be done with the cylinder base pin jumping out? I've only had one Blackhawk in the past and it was a 44, but it never gave me any trouble like this.
Last edited by TedH on Mon May 25, 2009 10:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Soggy Day at the Range w/PICS
whoa...I like that 218....
sweet little varmit rifle...
nice looking range too!
nice report too!
sweet little varmit rifle...
nice looking range too!
nice report too!
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Re: Soggy Day at the Range w/PICS
Ted,
That is a nice gun range. Wish I had one around here to use.
On the Blackhawk, check the following:
Check that the base pin latch is completely screwed together.
Check that the latch side is not battered and that screw side isn't bent.
Check that the grove in the base pin is not battered as well.
With the cylinder and base pin out of the cylinder frame look down the base pin holes and make sure the latch actually seats far enough in to hold the base pin.
Has that Ruger been converted? If so then the fit of these parts is a bit more critical as the transfer bar hitting the plunger wants to drive the base pin out. So the plunger must be free to move in and out with no binding.
Generally Old Models don't have the problem of base pins jumping the latch. The latch parts can be had from Brownells if the gun hasn't been converted. They are the same as the New Models. If the base pin has been battered real bad then you have several options. Look for a good condition used original, or a Belt Mountain pin.
Joe
That is a nice gun range. Wish I had one around here to use.
On the Blackhawk, check the following:
Check that the base pin latch is completely screwed together.
Check that the latch side is not battered and that screw side isn't bent.
Check that the grove in the base pin is not battered as well.
With the cylinder and base pin out of the cylinder frame look down the base pin holes and make sure the latch actually seats far enough in to hold the base pin.
Has that Ruger been converted? If so then the fit of these parts is a bit more critical as the transfer bar hitting the plunger wants to drive the base pin out. So the plunger must be free to move in and out with no binding.
Generally Old Models don't have the problem of base pins jumping the latch. The latch parts can be had from Brownells if the gun hasn't been converted. They are the same as the New Models. If the base pin has been battered real bad then you have several options. Look for a good condition used original, or a Belt Mountain pin.
Joe
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Nice report, Ted.
I'd check the latch for wear and correct assembly as the professor said. In my Colt SAA's I just went ahead and replaced the pins with Belt Mountains. Haven't launched one yet.
I'd check the latch for wear and correct assembly as the professor said. In my Colt SAA's I just went ahead and replaced the pins with Belt Mountains. Haven't launched one yet.
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Re: Soggy Day at the Range w/PICS
Thanks for the report Ted.
Usually vertical stringing is caused by poor or improper ignition. If all is well with the firing pin, hammer force and such like, then go to a different primer maybe. Good luck.
Cat
Usually vertical stringing is caused by poor or improper ignition. If all is well with the firing pin, hammer force and such like, then go to a different primer maybe. Good luck.
Cat
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Catshooter, you may have hit the nail on the head. In the lighter loads I was using some OLD CCI primers, I mean like 30-40 years old. They all went bang, but probably aren't what they used to be.
Joe, this one has been converted. I'm going to go take it apart and check the things you mentioned. Let you know what I find.
Joe, this one has been converted. I'm going to go take it apart and check the things you mentioned. Let you know what I find.
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Re: Soggy Day at the Range w/PICS
TedH wrote:I was really wanting to go shooting today, so I didn't let the darn rain keep me inside. In between showers I got in some shooting with the Marlin 356 Win, Marlin 218 Bee and the new-to-me 357 Blackhawk. Plus, there weren't any others as dumb as me to be out there, so I had the whole place to myself.
I just mounted on the 218 what I believe to be the perfect scope for this little levergun, a Leupold 2-7x28 Compact (thanks TNBigBore ). After a few shots to ger her dialed in, I shot this dandy group with ammo from Custom Cartridge. It's loaded with the Hornady 45 gr. bullet at 2650 measured through my chronograph.
Then I had several 356 Win. loads with bullets I cast from Ranch Dog's 35 cal. mold. The winner was 38.0 gr. of H335 which gave a velocity of 2025 fps. 5 shots about 1.5"
The Blackhawk gave me a little trouble. The base pin kept wanting to jump the latch, even with light loads. It feels like there is adequate tension on the latch, but something is not right with it.
As far as accuracy goes, it was kind of hit and miss. Some loads, even light loads, wanted to string vertically. The best load of the day was the one I really wanted to do well. It was my 185 gr. cast bullet with 15.0 gr. of LilGun. That dude was smoking out of the Blackhawk at 1256 fps with outstanding accuracy. It's hard to tell from the target because the paper was soggy, but there are six shots there about the size of a silver dollar, and that's about as good as I can do with iron sights at 25 yards.
Here's one of the lighter loads I tried with a 158 gr. SWC at 950 fps. It shows the extreme vertical stringing.
Any ideas on what's causing that?
Also, what can be done with the cylinder base pin jumping out? I've only had one Blackhawk in the past and it was a 44, but it never gave me any trouble like this.
The base pin problem sounds like a job for the belt mountain base pin. About 30 years ago my blackhawk in 45 colt had the same problem. i had to hard chrome it then to keep it in place. the new belt mountain pin has a screw that will hold the pin in its place.
g rice
Re: Soggy Day at the Range w/PICS
Took the base pin latch apart. The end of the latch on the edge is rounded off and battered pretty bad. Couldn't see anything wrong with the base pin itself. I suppose that is to be expected, as it's the same age as me and I'm rounding off and fairly battered myself.
Guess I'll be ordering a new latch.
Guess I'll be ordering a new latch.
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Ted,
I thought I recognized the conversion trigger. Did you check the spring plunger in the rear end of the base pin? It never hurts to hose that thing out with break cleaner when you clean the gun.
Also, since yours is converted, a Wolff extra strength base pin latch spring is a good thing to buy too. I have one in my OM .45 and .357 and you can feel the difference.
Joe
I thought I recognized the conversion trigger. Did you check the spring plunger in the rear end of the base pin? It never hurts to hose that thing out with break cleaner when you clean the gun.
Also, since yours is converted, a Wolff extra strength base pin latch spring is a good thing to buy too. I have one in my OM .45 and .357 and you can feel the difference.
Joe
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Re: Soggy Day at the Range w/PICS
Joe, I did check the plunger and spring in the base pin. They move freely. Good tip about the Wolff extra strength latch spring. I'll get one of those too. Thanks.
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Re: Soggy Day at the Range w/PICS
Great report and photos!
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Good report Ted. That range looks a lot like the one I use; is your's maintained by the DOC as well?
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So, I'm not the only one!TedH wrote: I suppose that is to be expected, as it's the same age as me and I'm rounding off and fairly battered myself.
Having the range to one's self: priceless!
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Andrew wrote:Good report Ted. That range looks a lot like the one I use; is your's maintained by the DOC as well?
Yes it is. It's a wonder they keep it open with as many slobs that leave their trash and tear things up.
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Thanks for the range report and pics. As others have said, that is a nice range. Pretty good shooting too.