Tested - New Grizzly Cart. Co .44 Bullets - WOW

86er · Post by **86er** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:00 pm

These bullets are all copper 222 grain .44 diameter. Mike Rintoul has designed these and is calling them the Tarantulas. The bullet has a hollow cavity and four serrations down the sides almost to the base. These were fired from a 2 1/2 inch 44 Special at 825 fps (roughly). They are designed for personal protection and made to open up and incapacitate an aggressor, but not exit. The test medium was a 80 pound goat at 15 yds (2 shots ) and 25 yards (3 shots). The shots were into shoulder and hip. Penetation was an average of 7 inches. They open up into 4 razor sharp petals over an inch wide! They will not penetrate body armor. WOW!

Post by **Old Savage** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:02 pm

We're talking surgery here!

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:27 pm

I wonder how they would perform out of a 20" home defence carbine?

crs · Post by **crs** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:49 pm

Mike is a busy bullet maker!

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:08 pm

Old Savage wrote:We're talking surgery here!

Yeah, assuming the recipient doesn't die from internal hemorrhaging before they reach the ER.

Joe

RKrodle · Post by **RKrodle** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:55 pm

86er,
did you measure those to see the open size?

86er · Post by **86er** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:15 pm

A little over an inch - up to 1 1/8 inch wide!

bsaride · Post by **bsaride** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:11 pm

My 44 wants to try them out, got a website?

Mike D. · Post by **Mike D.** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:07 am

Hmmm. What is the actual diameter? .429 or .431? They might be an interestin' bullet for the .44WCF.

cnjarvis · Post by **cnjarvis** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:19 am

Holy frijoles batman!

Accuracy?

Potential availability in other diameters?

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:21 am

Phenomenal performance. That's called terminal with a capital T.

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:54 am

That'll work! Got any before photos?

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:00 am

"WOW" is an understatement. Holy smokes, those look wicked!!!

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:05 am

gundownunder · Post by **gundownunder** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:33 am

Wouldn't you love to fire them out of a carbine into something like a fox or rabbit.

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:37 am

That's pretty amazing!

Bet those goats went right down.

jb

86er · Post by **86er** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:48 am

They will be available in .38, .44, .45 and .40 (10mm) and 9mm soon. Very accurate! These are not meant for high velocity. They would be great for home defense - but the petals might break off. Smallish game would be in a heap of trouble!

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:26 am

and no lead to freak out the freakifornians, they'll get what they asked for.

I'd love to try those in 45 ACP....

JerryB · Post by **JerryB** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:17 pm

86er, are the .44's for sale now and how would they load with Unique powder? I have an early Charter Target Bulldog 4'' that I like to carry and this would be great for where I carry it.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:11 pm

They will not penetrate body armor. WOW!

Why was the goat wearing body armor?

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:35 pm

86er,

Are these bullets available in loaded ammo only, or are they available as components?
What is the weight of the .45 Cal version?

Joe

JohndeFresno · Post by **JohndeFresno** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:51 pm

Exciting news, indeed! I'm waiting to see when they are marketed.

86er · Post by **86er** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:57 pm

These were prototype bullets I tested for Grizzly Cartridge Co. They will come out in all the calibers I mentions and possibly 45ACP in a few months. They work best over W296, but they will work from 655 fps up to 1000 fps without losing any petals. Higher velocity may cause the petals to shed after they open up all the way. That is not necessarily a bad thing - the petals will be making vicious secondary wounds. They will be offerred in loaded cartridges first, then components later on. Each bullet is individually CNC machined, so they will not be cheap. But - on a human aggressor who can afford cheap ammo? My gun shot these to the same exact point of aim as the 200 grain Nosler Sporting Bullets I loaded, the 200 grain CCI Gold Dot and the 240 gr Swift A frame. This would be a great CA legal bullet too in handgun or a carbine. This was the first generation bullet and there will be a second generation in a week or two. The difference is that the 2ndG will open up easier for those who are handloading and cannot get higher velocity due to components, or those using an older .44 Spl like a single action where fast loads are not a good idea. The 2ndG should open from 525 fps - 850 fps without losing petals and achieving 6" of penetration. Hang in there for more details and updates.

JohndeFresno · Post by **JohndeFresno** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:17 pm

86er wrote:These were prototype bullets I tested for Grizzly Cartridge Co. They will come out in all the calibers I mentions and possibly 45ACP in a few months...They will be offered in loaded cartridges first, then components later on...

That is an excellent idea.

We hear all this palaver about lawyers taking one to task over a "hot" handload in a self-defense shooting, and of course that has never happened.

But with the current anti-gun hysteria of the current Administration, and especially with the anti-gun zealots who seem to outnumber sane people in my state, I can see a lawsuit being launched if this highly effective "killer round" ever drops some poor misunderstood home invader or other assailant. With Mike offering the loaded bullet for sale, that will help to "legitimize" the round as being "off the shelf."

Then, if a similar handloaded round is ever fired in defense, it won't be as easily demonized by our fine California attorneys and our ever-so-broadminded media. (Deep sarcasm intended).

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:03 pm

Well, these won't be on the market long. It'll take about a day for someone to start calling them "cop killer" bullets. They'll probably go the way of the Black Talon. Even though the Black Talon didn't really go away, it just changed color and name, but that's another story.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:18 pm

What do they look like before firing? They seem really long and skinney by the photos.

Mike D. · Post by **Mike D.** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:23 pm

Grizz wrote:and no lead to freak out the freakifornians, they'll get what they asked for.

I'd love to try those in 45 ACP....

Not to worry, Grizz, it's only a matter of time when lead will be banned across the US. Maybe 2 yrs, outside.

86er · Post by **86er** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:37 pm

45 ACP 185 gr @ 950 fps
40 S&W 155gr @1150 fps
9mm 116gr @ 1150 fps expands to 3/4 -7/8"
44 Spl 222gr @ 850 fps
44 Mag OR muzzleloader w/ sabot or 444 Marlin 240gr @1400 fps (44 Mag) up to 1800 fps (mzldr) to 2200 fps (444 Marlin).
45 Colt - TBD
357 - TBD

Loaded ammo only for the first 16 months at least. 20 rds per box. Should be for sale at the end of May for personal defense and end of June for Hunting ammo.

piller · Post by **piller** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:59 pm

My Dad is using a .357 for home defense. I need to call Mike at Grizzly and pre-order some. They look like they would dump every bit of energy into the recipient while causing massive hemorraging.
Joe, how heavily did the goat bleed?

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:34 pm

86er wrote:the 2ndG will open up easier for those who are handloading and cannot get higher velocity due to components, or those using an older .44 Spl like a single action where fast loads are not a good idea.

Huh? I'm running 250 gr. bullets around 12-1400 FPS. out of a .45 Colt, and can run 125 gr. bullets up around 1,500 out of a .357!

Anyways, are these gonna be sold as ammo only? Any chance I can get 'em in .452 diameter? Looking at those expanded bullets makes me think of those "Will it blend?" videos; I'm thinking, if it's innards you're asking about, the answer is a definite and resounding "YES"!

dbateman · Post by **dbateman** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:40 am

man those thing are awesome

dr walker · Post by **dr walker** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:13 am

Looks like an excellent choice for all the Charter Arms .44 special shooters out there. Tarantula, perfect name for a wicked looking projectile. The views of that bullet expanded are going to make excellent print advertisements.

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:36 am

86er wrote:They will be available in .38, .44, .45 and .40 (10mm) and 9mm soon. Very accurate! These are not meant for high velocity. They would be great for home defense - but the petals might break off. Smallish game would be in a heap of trouble!

So, that pretty much leaves out rifles (not meant for high velocity). Home defense bullet mostly. Looks like a promising round for handgun use.

JustaJeepGuy · Post by **JustaJeepGuy** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:36 pm

I'm wondering too what the felon-lovers will say. "Oh, the poor career criminal! He didn't stand a chance against that awful homeowner with that bullet made only to kill! They need to be banned!" I wonder what they'll say when they find out their private armed guards use those bullets?

Bear 45/70 · Post by **Bear 45/70** » Thu May 28, 2009 4:29 pm

Mike D. wrote:
Grizz wrote:and no lead to freak out the freakifornians, they'll get what they asked for.

I'd love to try those in 45 ACP....
Not to worry, Grizz, it's only a matter of time when lead will be banned across the US. Maybe 2 yrs, outside.

With the economy like it is and the price of lead subsitutes, I doubt very much it will happen any time soon. Beside are all these lead haters unaware that lead appears naturally in our Mother Earth?

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu May 28, 2009 4:56 pm

great unintended consequence: ban lead and some genious turns a bullet into a broadhead.... gotta love entrepeneurs...

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Thu May 28, 2009 7:00 pm

OMG

I will be loading up the 9mm SS Milenium pro with those ASAP!!!!
That will be the ticket!

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Thu May 28, 2009 8:41 pm

When are these bullets gonna be available?

Also, I just want to remind the folks that aren't aware of it that jacketed bullets create secondary projectiles when they hit something hard, and these will probably REALLY do it. Be careful of your targets, and consider the rounds you're using.

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Thu May 28, 2009 9:22 pm

Can you post a picture of an unfired bullet either by itself or next to a fired one?

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Thu May 28, 2009 9:26 pm

Mike D. wrote:
Grizz wrote:and no lead to freak out the freakifornians, they'll get what they asked for.

I'd love to try those in 45 ACP....
Not to worry, Grizz, it's only a matter of time when lead will be banned across the US. Maybe 2 yrs, outside.

I'm laughing with you Mike!! When it (the lead ban) hits the other guys, I'd like to watch their jaws bounce off the deck.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu May 28, 2009 10:58 pm

Modoc ED wrote:
Mike D. wrote:
Grizz wrote:and no lead to freak out the freakifornians, they'll get what they asked for.

I'd love to try those in 45 ACP....
Not to worry, Grizz, it's only a matter of time when lead will be banned across the US. Maybe 2 yrs, outside.
I'm laughing with you Mike!! When it (the lead ban) hits the other guys, I'd like to watch their jaws bounce off the deck.

well, then THEY will get what THEY asked for too