Holiday Shopping Shootout

[gunslinger598]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/ap_ ... e_shooting

PALM DESERT, Calif. – Two men pulled guns and shot each other to death in a crowded toy store Friday after the women with them erupted into a bloody brawl, witnesses said. Scared shoppers fled but no one else was hurt.

The violence erupted on Black Friday, the traditional post-Thanksgiving start of the holiday shopping surge, but authorities indicated the shooting wasn't related to a shopping frenzy.

Riverside County sheriff's Sgt. Dennis Gutierrez said the fight was not over a toy. He said handguns were found by the men's bodies, but he released little other information. He would not answer a question about whether the shooting was gang-related.

Witnesses Scott and Joan Barrick said they were checking out of the store when the fight began between two women, each with a man. The women were near the checkout area, but the Barricks did not think the women had purchases.

One woman suddenly started punching the other woman, who fought back as blood flowed from her nose, Scott Barrick, 41, said.

The man who was with the woman being punched pulled a gun halfway out of his pocket, then shoved it back in, he said.

"He pulled his gun right next to me. I turned to look for my wife, and she was already hiding," Barrick said.

"I was scared," said Joan Barrick, 40. "I didn't want to die today. I really didn't want to die today, and I think that's what we were all thinking."

The other man pulled a gun and pointed it at the first man but forgot to cock it, Scott Barrick said. The first man tried to run but was blocked by the line of people, then ran back toward the store's electronics section as the other man fired his gun, he said.

The first man reached a dead-end in electronics, turned around and ran toward an exit, pulling his gun and firing back, he said.

"He went up to the cash register, he went to put his hand on the thing and he just went phoomp," he said, indicating the man fell.

He said he did not see what happened to the other man.

Palm Desert Councilman Jim Ferguson said police told him two men with handguns shot and killed each other.

"I think the obvious question everyone has is who takes loaded weapons into a Toys "R" Us?" he said. "I doubt it was the casual holiday shopper."

Ray Turner, 20, said he was two aisles away when two women began shouting and screaming at each other and he had a clear view of the fight until a crowd clustered around them. Both women had children, he said.

"We thought it was just a fight and then someone yelled, 'He's got a gun. He's got a gun.' You really couldn't see nothing because there was a crowd," Turner said.

Rafael Gomez, 11, said he and his father had been in the store about 20 minutes before the shooting but were in a nearby Pizza Hut when they saw people pouring out of the store screaming.

"We just saw them running and crying. I was kind of scared," Rafael said. "We got lucky."

Toys "R" Us issued a statement expressing outrage over the violence.

"We are working closely with local law enforcement officials to determine the specific details of what occurred," the statement said. "Our understanding is that this act seems to have been the result of a personal dispute between the individuals involved. Therefore, it would be inaccurate to associate the events of today with Black Friday."

The Barricks and others remained at the scene long after the shooting because investigators would not allow cars to be taken from the parking lot until a crime-scene reconstruction was completed.

Palm Desert is a resort town about 120 miles east of Los Angeles.

[AJMD429]

Palm Desert Councilman Jim Ferguson said police told him two men with handguns shot and killed each other.

"I think the obvious question everyone has is who takes loaded weapons into a Toys "R" Us?" he said. "I doubt it was the casual holiday shopper."

The Councilman should be fired for even asking that question. Better to ask how it could happen in that state and that store, when both have effectively prohibited carrying of firearms.

P.S. - you might be in big trouble that you didn't post this in the 'Politics' forum...

[Sixgun]

At least it had a happy ending. Two more "gangsta's" that won't be preying on innocent people.----------Sixgun

[gunslinger598]

I just couldn't decide if it was news or politics.

One lesson is in a shoot out both parties can die.

I guess this is just the first report and we'll hear more. It sure didn't sound like either one was really prepared to be in a gun fight other than having a gun.

One shows his weapon then puts it away. The other forgets to cock his weapon. (that's if the report is accurate)

[Grizz]

what a great story. the perps off each other. I love it.

'course we have to wonder if those were two legally permitted CCWs that got stupid...

nah

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

A double shot of chorox into the gene pool!

[Ysabel Kid]

A double shot of chorox into the gene pool!

So true!!!

Who takes a gun into Toys R' US? Anyone smart enought to not want to be a victim to twits like those in the story!!!

[donw]

IF, they were, indeed, gang-bangers, the only thing objectionable is that they could have hurt/killed innocents...

we should round up ALL the gangs...take them to the most remote part of death valley, cordon off the area so no one could get in or out, arm them all with all the guns and ammo they want and let them shoot it out...then kill the survivors...

incidently...i live not far from palm desert...scary to think of bozos like that being able to breathe the same air decent people do.

[Ray Newman]

I just love a happy ending.

On the radio news report that I heard, a reporter said that the two were memebrs of rival social groups.

Huh?? rival social groups??

Guess calling them gang members would hurt their self-esteem too much....

[JustaJeepGuy]

"Social groups".....Boy, that doesn't sound like people who would shoot each other in a Toys-R-Us, does it? Eric Blair has got to be laughing his dead head off...