S&W N.M. #3--44 Russian--Kirk D.

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S&W N.M. #3--44 Russian--Kirk D.

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Dudes & Fellow Shootists (and Kirk D :D )
First, summer time is here which means the shooting season has started, along with tons of yard work, which I hope, will explain my lack of BS'en on this board. Now, on to business:

Picture this--The year is 1927 and Jacob finds his grandpappy's like new Smith & Wesson New Model #3 in 44 Russian. But the gun has a problem---Jacob's grandpappy, Ishmael, put the Smith he special ordered in 1898 with a very rare 5" barrel in in an old holster and never took it out. Jacob finds the gun, see's the pits and has it refinished with the old style pre-war blue, leaving the markings crisp and clear, leaving the fire blue on the trigger, all of the color case hardening on the hammer, and only doing the outside of the gun, leaving the unseen blue (recoil face, etc.) in it's original factory condition. :wink: The original refinisher in 1927 did not have the skills to eliminate the pits, but they are not real bad. Then.............Jacob puts it away and leaves it unfired until the year 2008 (110 years after it's built) and some scroundrel named Sixgun scarfs it up and proceeds to pound lead down its barrel.

Of course, ole' Sixgun ain't no dummy. First, he takes it apart and see's that everything is still like new, including the bore. The hand, ratchet, cylinder notches, hammer notches, and the sear all look like they just left the factory. The cylinder locks up with zero play. The hard rubber grips have sharp checkering and are numbered to the gun and they have the perfect turn-of-the-century fit. He takes some measurements and finds the cylinder mouths are .433 with a barrel groove diameter of .429. Ole Sixgun is really thinkin' now. (BTW, "thinking" is not an easy task for ole' Sixgun---he only has 14 brain cells left---has something to do with growing up in the Sixties :lol: )

Sixgun (who has adult A.D.D. ) just can't take the pressure anymore and runs down to his gunroom and finds the only 44 Russian ammo, he has are loaded with 6 grains of Unique with 250 gr. Keith SWC's---a little too potent for an 1898 gun, but fine for the SA Colt he shoots. Brain cells are up to 15.

Ole' Sixgun loads up different bullet weights with Unique and Bullseye, but staying with .430 diameter bullets. He chronographs and tests for accuracy 4 gr., 4.5 gr., and 5 gr. of Unique with 250 and 200 grain bullets. OK, not bad--the 5 grain load with the 200 grain bullets along with the 4.5 gr. load with 250 gr. RN bullets perform equally well but the 200 gr. bullets hit closer to POA. He tries Bullseye with the 200 grain bullets and hits paydirt. 2" groups at 25 yards with a speed of 725. The bullets still hit a little high (about 6") but thats the way they made guns back then---you were supposed to aim at the belt buckle of a man and hit somewhere from his guts to his juglar vein.

Anyway, like I told Kirk, I had to buy this gun as it was in a bunch of Winchesters & Colts I wanted, so more than likely, its gonna go. (after I play with it for a month or so) Kirk gets first dibs.------------------------------- :D Stay cool brothers :D ------------Sixgun

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:o :o :mrgreen: That is quite a treasure there. Neat to see that and thanks for sharing!
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Sweet! You bet I'm interested, Sixgun.! PM me with the price. I really like the fact that it locks up perfectly and has excellent internals. The refinished exterior ain't gonna bother me one bit.
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Thanks for posting, I like top-breaks. 8)
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That's a cool old gun. I've never shot one. I'd like to some day.

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Kirk that would sho' nuff look good in that new crossdraw rig and you sitting in your canoe with the 94 30wcf. Good luck on it.
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Slobber alert! Slobber alert!

That is way cool!!! 8)
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That is just such a beautiful pistol. Kirk, if you don't want it, I'm next in line!!!! :D
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She's a beaut. Love the lines of those larger caliber Smith top breaks.

And JerryB - you're right, crossdraw is the best way to hang these off your hip. :D
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KirkD wrote:Sweet! You bet I'm interested, Sixgun.! PM me with the price. I really like the fact that it locks up perfectly and has excellent internals. The refinished exterior ain't gonna bother me one bit.
How ya gonna get it across the border legally ? And the register it in Canada. Your lucky it is a 5". :wink:
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Lefty Dude wrote:
KirkD wrote:Sweet! You bet I'm interested, Sixgun.! PM me with the price. I really like the fact that it locks up perfectly and has excellent internals. The refinished exterior ain't gonna bother me one bit.
How ya gonna get it across the border legally ? And the register it in Canada. Your lucky it is a 5". :wink:
Same way I got mine across - in the mail. With a new model #3, as long as it's not 44-40 or 38-40 it's classed as an antique - no license or registration involved. For pistols, there are only 8 or so calibers on the "no list" - any made prior to 1898 in any other calibers are antique.
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Lefty Dude wrote:
KirkD wrote:Sweet! You bet I'm interested, Sixgun.! PM me with the price. I really like the fact that it locks up perfectly and has excellent internals. The refinished exterior ain't gonna bother me one bit.
How ya gonna get it across the border legally ? And the register it in Canada. Your lucky it is a 5". :wink:
Like Killer Kanuck sez, no problem, since it is an antique. I've brought a couple across already. I just declare it at the border, pay the durn-tootin tax and take it home and shoot it. No registration or permits required. 'Course, there's no ammo available up here for obsolete calibers like that, but I reload my own anyway.
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You told me that was one of your junk guns. KirkD, watch that sixgun, :twisted: I think he has a antique gun machine in his basement. :lol:
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Sixgun jr wrote:You told me that was one of your junk guns. KirkD, watch that sixgun, :twisted: I think he has a antique gun michine in his basement. :lol:

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Why, why, why do you do these things to me?? Is it because I made you settle for an I-Roc Z-28 Camaro instead of the Corvette you wanted??? The all expense paid 30 day trip to the French Riveria was not good enough for you???? Huh????? I told you 20 times not to tell anybody about "the machine" I have. Well, I might as well tell the boys what I have been doing. Last week I had mechanical problems with "the machine" and I was only able to produce 23 S&W N.M. #3's. This week I am tooling up for Civil War military cartouched Henry's, and next week it will be Custer Era S.A Colts. I hope to have the Gustave Young/John Ulrich engraving machine done by August along with the machine that makes factory letters.-----------------------Thanks a lot :lol: Yo Pappa
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Nice little piece there! 8)
Sixgun wrote:
Sixgun jr wrote:You told me that was one of your junk guns. KirkD, watch that sixgun, :twisted: I think he has a antique gun michine in his basement. :lol:
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Why, why, why do you do these things to me?? Is it because I made you settle for an I-Roc Z-28 Camaro instead of the Corvette you wanted??? The all expense paid 30 day trip to the French Riveria was not good enough for you???? Huh????? I told you 20 times not to tell anybody about "the machine" I have.
Would a swift kick to his tookhus make any difference? It doesn't with mine but I still try every so often... :lol:

BTW, any chance that machine of yours could hook me up with an amnestied STG44 for less than the cost of both kidneys? :?
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awp101 wrote:Nice little piece there! 8)
Sixgun wrote:
Sixgun jr wrote:You told me that was one of your junk guns. KirkD, watch that sixgun, :twisted: I think he has a antique gun michine in his basement. :lol:
Sixgun Jr.
Why, why, why do you do these things to me?? Is it because I made you settle for an I-Roc Z-28 Camaro instead of the Corvette you wanted??? The all expense paid 30 day trip to the French Riveria was not good enough for you???? Huh????? I told you 20 times not to tell anybody about "the machine" I have.
Would a swift kick to his tookhus make any difference? It doesn't with mine but I still try every so often... :lol:

BTW, any chance that machine of yours could hook me up with an amnestied STG44 for less than the cost of both kidneys? :?
AWP101, Nope, can't do the STG44--The "machine" can't do metric bolts. Plus, the brass for the ammo is too hard to get. I can do 1921 Thompsons though--How 'bout a 1919 Thompson prototype in 38 ACP? (for real, I had my hands on one of those STG44's last year and yes, it was amnestied!-------------Sixgun
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I'll settle for the 1921 Thompson then...;)

IIRC Graf's or Privi Partisan does runs of 7.92K every so often. .38ACP brass can't exactly be falling from the sky. :lol:
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Sixgun wrote:
Sixgun jr wrote:You told me that was one of your junk guns. KirkD, watch that sixgun, :twisted: I think he has a antique gun michine in his basement. :lol:

Sixgun Jr.
Why, why, why do you do these things to me?? Is it because I made you settle for an I-Roc Z-28 Camaro instead of the Corvette you wanted??? The all expense paid 30 day trip to the French Riveria was not good enough for you???? Huh????? I told you 20 times not to tell anybody about "the machine" I have. Well, I might as well tell the boys what I have been doing. Last week I had mechanical problems with "the machine" and I was only able to produce 23 S&W N.M. #3's. This week I am tooling up for Civil War military cartouched Henry's, and next week it will be Custer Era S.A Colts. I hope to have the Gustave Young/John Ulrich engraving machine done by August along with the machine that makes factory letters.-----------------------Thanks a lot :lol: Yo Pappa
Sign me up for a real nice antique Schofield .... about 80% would be about perfect. :D
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