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My box arrived Tuesday. But I had it on order since 9 February!
I can live with that. I know I'm a pirate, just born in the wrong century.CowboyTutt wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:28 am
Now Jason will shoot anyone, with any cartridge, in any gun you can imagine, as long as he likes the firearm. The man is a mercenary and has no principals at all!![]()
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-Tutt
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This literally woke me up at 3:30am this morning. It bounced into my head and wouldn't let go.
93, and thank you.CowboyTutt wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 8:48 pmGriff, I seem to remember that your SASS number was in the 100 plus range? But that was many years ago, I could be way off (very detailed and thoughtful post by the way!)![]()
-Tutt
Kid, yes, I have; with the C45S I can get 18 or 19 rounds in the 1860 depending on bullet weight, & nose shape. And I don't believe that you must give up any performance.Ysabel Kid wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:30 pmThis literally woke me up at 3:30am this morning. It bounced into my head and wouldn't let go.
Would the .45 Cowboy be akin to the .44 Henry in a 1860 Henry? By this I mean, a less powerful round than the 1873 carried (the .44 WCF was a significant improvement over the .44 Henry), but more capacity due to the shorter OAL of the cartridge.
If that is the case, then I may indeed get a new lifter for my Uberti 1860 Henry reproduction. That would be NEAT!![]()
Griff, thoughts? Sounds like you have actually done this!
I know just how that is... on another forum they're talking about felt recoil differences between a 45ACP with a 200 grain bullet vs a 230 grain. One poster postulated that it was a simple math exercise... and for the past two days I've been wrestling with this concept... and to a slight disagree with this, as his formula to express kinetic energy doesn't factor in time. He hypothesis' that the 230 grain bullet will have less felt recoil than the 200 grain bullet when both are loaded to a specific power factor (mass x velocity / 1000 = power factor). The basis for his conclusion is that it takes less velocity too make the power factor with the heavier projectile. I don't disagree with that aspect, but translating that directly in felt recoil with factoring time of action negates part of the conclusion. I.e.: the heavier, slower bullet spends more time in the barrel, acting upon reaction of the firing of the cartridge. The faster, lighter bullet spends less time in the barrel, ergo less impact on recoil. Neither of which could actually be measured in a practical setting, but in theory...? that same difference of "time in barrel" is used to explain why a heavier bullet impacts higher than a lighter bullet, so why not account for this in felt recoil? I doubt this is an original thought, but I've not read of anywhere/one that has considered this.Ysabel Kid wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:30 pmThis literally woke me up at 3:30am this morning. It bounced into my head and wouldn't let go.
Oh, I need a lifter like that! Where can I find one? I want to turn it into the "darn Yankee rifle you load on Sunday and shoot all week"!Griff wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:38 pmKid, yes, I have; with the C45S I can get 18 or 19 rounds in the 1860 depending on bullet weight, & nose shape. And I don't believe that you must give up any performance.Ysabel Kid wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:30 pmThis literally woke me up at 3:30am this morning. It bounced into my head and wouldn't let go.
Would the .45 Cowboy be akin to the .44 Henry in a 1860 Henry? By this I mean, a less powerful round than the 1873 carried (the .44 WCF was a significant improvement over the .44 Henry), but more capacity due to the shorter OAL of the cartridge.
If that is the case, then I may indeed get a new lifter for my Uberti 1860 Henry reproduction. That would be NEAT!![]()
Griff, thoughts? Sounds like you have actually done this!
Griff, I think you logic is infallible here.Griff wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:03 pmI know just how that is... on another forum they're talking about felt recoil differences between a 45ACP with a 200 grain bullet vs a 230 grain. One poster postulated that it was a simple math exercise... and for the past two days I've been wrestling with this concept... and to a slight disagree with this, as his formula to express kinetic energy doesn't factor in time. He hypothesis' that the 230 grain bullet will have less felt recoil than the 200 grain bullet when both are loaded to a specific power factor (mass x velocity / 1000 = power factor). The basis for his conclusion is that it takes less velocity too make the power factor with the heavier projectile. I don't disagree with that aspect, but translating that directly in felt recoil with factoring time of action negates part of the conclusion. I.e.: the heavier, slower bullet spends more time in the barrel, acting upon reaction of the firing of the cartridge. The faster, lighter bullet spends less time in the barrel, ergo less impact on recoil. Neither of which could actually be measured in a practical setting, but in theory...? that same difference of "time in barrel" is used to explain why a heavier bullet impacts higher than a lighter bullet, so why not account for this in felt recoil? I doubt this is an original thought, but I've not read of anywhere/one that has considered this.Ysabel Kid wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:30 pmThis literally woke me up at 3:30am this morning. It bounced into my head and wouldn't let go.
I need a Tylenol, just from reading that!Ysabel Kid wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:46 pmGriff, I think you logic is infallible here.Griff wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 8:03 pmI know just how that is... on another forum they're talking about felt recoil differences between a 45ACP with a 200 grain bullet vs a 230 grain. One poster postulated that it was a simple math exercise... and for the past two days I've been wrestling with this concept... and to a slight disagree with this, as his formula to express kinetic energy doesn't factor in time. He hypothesis' that the 230 grain bullet will have less felt recoil than the 200 grain bullet when both are loaded to a specific power factor (mass x velocity / 1000 = power factor). The basis for his conclusion is that it takes less velocity too make the power factor with the heavier projectile. I don't disagree with that aspect, but translating that directly in felt recoil with factoring time of action negates part of the conclusion. I.e.: the heavier, slower bullet spends more time in the barrel, acting upon reaction of the firing of the cartridge. The faster, lighter bullet spends less time in the barrel, ergo less impact on recoil. Neither of which could actually be measured in a practical setting, but in theory...? that same difference of "time in barrel" is used to explain why a heavier bullet impacts higher than a lighter bullet, so why not account for this in felt recoil? I doubt this is an original thought, but I've not read of anywhere/one that has considered this.Ysabel Kid wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 9:30 pmThis literally woke me up at 3:30am this morning. It bounced into my head and wouldn't let go.
https://onlineoutpost.net/pages/cowboy- ... al-carrier.Ysabel Kid wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:45 pmOh, I need a lifter like that! Where can I find one? I want to turn it into the "darn Yankee rifle you load on Sunday and shoot all week"!![]()
Thanks Griff!!!Griff wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:38 pmhttps://onlineoutpost.net/pages/cowboy- ... al-carrier.Ysabel Kid wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:45 pmOh, I need a lifter like that! Where can I find one? I want to turn it into the "darn Yankee rifle you load on Sunday and shoot all week"!![]()
Ah... but while a measurement of movement over time, couldn't "fps" can last for different lengths of time depending on burn rate of powder? We're talking about milliseconds here. I admit that I'm just spit-balllin' here...CowboyTutt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 7:05 pmI didn't read the linked thread but don't most recoil calculators take "time" into consideration already? For example, this one, which isn't particularly special has the usual foot lbs of energy of the recoil, the recoil velocity as measured in feet per second, and this one also has "recoil impulse" which is interesting.
https://shooterscalculator.com/recoil-calculator.php
-Tutt
"It" was referring to this 45 Cowboy Special thingy. The 45 Colt is not a screamer in velocity but if this 45 Cowboy Special helps you in your sport, then more power to it.The 45 Colt is not a screamer in velocity by any means even in a rifle, so I don't see much need for the Cowboy Special, but if it helps in the sport of CAS certainly no harm in it.
Ordered one!!!Ysabel Kid wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 9:09 pmThanks Griff!!!Griff wrote: ↑Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:38 pmhttps://onlineoutpost.net/pages/cowboy- ... al-carrier.Ysabel Kid wrote: ↑Tue Dec 13, 2022 9:45 pmOh, I need a lifter like that! Where can I find one? I want to turn it into the "darn Yankee rifle you load on Sunday and shoot all week"!![]()
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Yes indeed! The real reason for the season!!!
I thought so too. Some good info and I'm thinking I may need to order one of those lifters.