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POLITICS - What's this? Suddenly game shot w/lead a problem?

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What's up with this, is it a coordinated attack against hunters and hunting, or just lead bullets?

http://www.casperstartribune.net/articl ... 7daa08.txt
Lead study blood samples go to CDC

By JAMES MacPHERSON
Associated Press writer
with staff reports

Tuesday, June 3, 2008 2:08 AM MDT

BISMARCK, N.D. -- State and federal health officials have finished collecting blood samples from more than 700 North Dakotans who ate wild game shot with lead bullets.

North Dakota health officials and the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are studying whether there are health risks for people who eat the meat, said Dr. Stephen Pickard, an epidemiologist with the state Health Department.

Blood samples were collected May 16 to May 30, from 738 people in North Dakota's six largest cities, Pickard said. The samples were taken from children as young as 2 to adults, Pickard said. Most were collected from adults who had eaten venison killed with high-velocity ammo, though some samples were taken from people who had eaten pheasants and waterfowl shot with either lead or non-lead pellets, he said.

The samples have been sent to CDC's laboratory in Atlanta, Pickard said. The study includes only North Dakota residents, he said.

"We hope to find nothing, of course," Pickard said. "It will tell us if there is a substantial blood-lead level increase."

Results are expected before this year's fall hunting season, Pickard said.

"No study is definitive," he said. "We hope to have a set of guidelines and recommendations that we can give to hunting community of what the risk is, and what the hunting community can do to minimize that risk."

Dr. William Cornatzer, a Bismarck physician and hunter, alerted health officials after he conducted his own tests on venison using a CT scanner and found lead in 60 percent of 100 samples.

The Peregrine Fund, a Boise, Idaho-based conservation group that works to protect birds of prey, conducted a separate study in concert with scientists from Washington State University's College of Veterinary Medicine, in which researchers examined professionally processed meat from hunter-killed deer in Wyoming.

Eighty percent of the deer killed by high-velocity lead-based ammunition in that study produced at least some meat with metal fragments or metal "dust" in it, and 92 percent of the metal found was lead, according to the leaders of the project.

North Dakota and Minnesota officials, worried about lead bullet fragments, told food bank operators in March to discard deer meat donated by hunters. Some groups that donate venison to the needy called the actions premature and unsupported by science.

The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources will meet Wednesday to discuss lead fragments in venison. Health officials, wildlife experts and hunting representatives from Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa and Wisconsin have been invited.
http://www.startribune.com/local/194389 ... r=Homepage
Minn. hosts meeting on lead fragments in venison

Associated Press

June 1, 2008

ST. PAUL, Minn. - Experts on wildlife, public health and food safety from five states including Wisconsin are meeting in Minnesota this week to talk about lead fragments in deer shot by hunters.

The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources is hosting Wednesday's meeting.

DNR wildlife section chief Dennis Simon says the meeting kicks off a regional effort to come up with recommendations on the issue. Each state will evaluate its venison-donation program, which allows hunters to give meat to food shelves.

Some venison was recalled from food shelves in Minnesota and North Dakota after lead fragments were found in the meat. Officials say they didn't know the health risks associated with consumption of lead particles from ammunition. No illnesses have been reported.

The meeting will also include hunting representatives and officials from North Dakota, South Dakota and Iowa.

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Re: What's this? Suddenly game shot with lead is a problem??

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J Miller wrote:What's up with this, is it a coordinated attack against hunters and hunting, or just lead bullets? ...
It's the Former.

Every instance of "lead contamination" can be traced back to improper dressing/butchering & meat grinding. (If not outright tampering by ARFs at the processing plant... how much range dust would you have to have in your pocket to taint a 100lb comercial grinder/ mixer?)

You grind up Bloodshot meat &/or bullets and you get lead in your meat.

Trim the Bloodshot and there is NO WAY except enviornmental ingestion that there will be lead in muscle tissue. It is patently impossible... yet it makes a good excuse for banning the only practical AND HOME MANUFACTURABLE source of ammunition.

Ban ammunition and you don't have to ban guns. It's that simple.
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Wonder if any of those brilliant researchers checked the PPM of lead in local water available to wildlife? 'Course they would most likely link it in some way or form to sport'smen via lead sinkers or waterfowl hunting, even though lead in the water can be expected since the natural it is a naturally abundent element in the upper midwest.
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Boy, did I see this one coming!

Directly from the anti-gunner playbook, which started in California with the Condor (Lead free) zones fiasco!

There ain't no doubt in my former military mind!

This, of course, hearkens back to the "Get out of California" mentality that was so quickly echoed in the posts about the limitations on how cool we can be in that state. We aren't really safe anywhere in this country, and it calls for some sober soul-searching at the polls and in our daily political activism; something that only the ultra-liberals have been smart enough to realize, so far!
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At least they are not using the bird ingestion escuse. "Tainted Meat" is demonstrably disprovable - even moreso than the statistical questionability of the Condor BS.

Muscle Tissue is impermeable without visible damage. No bloodshot, no lead.
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well, if this keeps up, lead poisoning probably will become a big problem... at least I hope so... for those that choose to try and take away our constitutional rights.
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I see the words, "donated meat program", which seems to indicate they're concerned about meat donated by hunters to food shelters, etc. Slobs are slobs. Seems an issue that should be addressed, but should be easily eliminated. At study by gubment goons seems like overkill, methinks money, not lead is involved.
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Everyone wants to condem us here in CA, for "lettin" it happen, just don't blink too hard.

Funny thing about this study. IF they find high lead content, are they going to ban lead? If so, then what about tobacco? It's PROVEN to kill many each year, but still......there it is.

Just like smokers, shouldn't it be OUR choice what we injest?
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Just another zigzag maneuver by gungrabbers for our guns.Sounds like leadshot vs waterfowl repackaged."Geez why do you need a firearm for non-sporting use?You can't use it for hunting(sporting use) because lead is bad for critters and you?"(antigun rant). :evil:
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I want to welcome the rest of country to the great state of Kalipornia.
All of you were probably thinking that we should move to a free state, when I was saying "coming to your state soon". These studies may be easy to disprove, but when did common sense and real scientific investigation get in the way of Liberals with a cause. I hope all the other residents in the same geographical area as the hunters had their blood analyzed as well. It wouldn't be surprising to find that the group that ate game harvested with lead bullets had the same serum lead levels as those who don't eat hunter harvested game. Maybe they should test vegetarians to see if the vegetables contain lead. We can either use Barnes bullets or better yet just shoot hardcast lead boolits that don't deform. No, that would be too logical. Barnes has Silvex which is non toxic and heavier than lead. As soon as other companies come out with like substances the Libs will have to say that firing ammunition contributes to global warming. If CO2 is a greenhouse gas, the libs can save the planet by stopping their own respiration. And when are we going to save fossil fuels by tapping into the largest source of methane on the planet....
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If this country keep going as it is these idiots who think this stuff up will be working :o to pay for $5.50 gallon gas.instead of supporting the fantasy island in their head.
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Post by BenT »

I'll be curious what Wisconsin does , since the DNR can't get enough deer shot in this state. The one way is for hunters to donate deer. Yes these are processed by butchers. So if there is lead in the meat it's a butchering issue. The donate deer program helps the DNR keep deer populations in check and I'm sure they won't want to give it up.
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