POLITICS - Another Hardened Criminal in Chicagoland

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Fri May 09, 2008 2:08 pm

I know, it's OT and it's actually an options broker with (gasp) 85 guns and 50k rounds of ammo. Still, the video is classic. I also love the line where they say "If the ammunition, some of which has been sent to a crime lab, turns out to be armor-piercing, that would be a federal crime." Bond for this vicious offender set at ... $700,000.

Of course, I had no idea one had to possess a "Firearm Owner's Identification Card" in Illinois. Tough state.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... 1930.story

I thought AP pistol ammo was a no-no, but that some types of steel core rifle rounds were OK. Does anyone know the specifics on AP as pertains to federal firearms law? And no, I'm not swimming in black tipped 30-06 or 50BMG.

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Fri May 09, 2008 2:11 pm

AP is not illegal, the reporter is a liar.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri May 09, 2008 2:41 pm

His biggest problems are:

Local: Possessing firearms without permission from Hizzonor (a FOID)

and

Federal: Possessing firearms after a DV conviction and (maybe) possession of Class III firearms/AOWs/DDs w/o a tax stamp.

All are bogus "laws" IMO, but there we are.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Fri May 09, 2008 2:52 pm

If things don't change for the better: where this man goeth, so shall we all.

Joe

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Fri May 09, 2008 2:55 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:... Federal: Possessing firearms after a DV conviction and (maybe) possession of Class III firearms/AOWs/DDs w/o a tax stamp.

If he's got Class 3 with no stamps, he's toast I suppose. But I would think, given his apparent wealth, that a few $200 tax stamps weren't really going to bother him.

I think it's the DV and "awaiting trail" that kicked this off. I didn't realize that you could lose your rights to possess arms for being accused of DV and not convicted of DV. Is that a federal statute? Does it still hold even if it's a misdemeanor? I must have had my head in the sand at some point when those laws passed.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri May 09, 2008 3:05 pm

Rimfire McNutjob wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:... Federal: Possessing firearms after a DV conviction and (maybe) possession of Class III firearms/AOWs/DDs w/o a tax stamp.
If he's got Class 3 with no stamps, he's toast I suppose. But I would think, given his apparent wealth, that a few $200 tax stamps weren't really going to bother him.

I think it's the DV and "awaiting trail" that kicked this off. I didn't realize that you could lose your rights to possess arms for being accused of DV and not convicted of DV. Is that a federal statute? Does it still hold even if it's a misdemeanor? I must have had my head in the sand at some point when those laws passed.

I had heard it was a conviction (I didn't read the article, just listened to WLS driving in this AM) - and thus he lost his FOID.

IIRC though, in most jurisdictions, FOID or not, once you have been arrested for DV you had better have someone go and pick up your guns mos-tic. Probably a more important Phone Call than calling a Lawyer.

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Fri May 09, 2008 3:09 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:I had heard it was a conviction (I didn't read the article, just listened to WLS driving in this AM) - and thus he lost his FOID.

You must be more current than the article. They said awaiting trial, but I'll bet a conviction may have occurred and that may have been what triggered the confiscations.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Fri May 09, 2008 3:11 pm

Loss of gun rights with the arrest or conviction of even misdemeanor DV charges came about during the Klinton Regime with the Lautenberg (SP) act.

Joe

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri May 09, 2008 3:20 pm

Well, according to the article, he lost his "We don't hate you - Yet" card in 2002 on his DV arrest (not conviction) - which would have been enough for me to move north 20 mi to Wisconsin to get away from the idiocy of Illanoy's laws.

I'm still looking for verification on a subsequent conviction/date - which would turn this into a Lautenberg/18CFR44-922 case.

Also it appears he had 2 M2 .50 BMGs - which I don't know if CAN be made to be a non-NFA gun - and even then they may still be considered a taxable AOW/DD. I'd have to ask Technical.

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Fri May 09, 2008 4:10 pm

A few years back, there were some citizens who had some extremely advanced and powerfull weapons. The local govt said they were illegal and sent the proper authorities to confiscate them. At the same time those citizens decided they had the right to own them, so they said no, we will die first. A long and fierce battle ensued, which turned into a war, which they won due to their indominatable spirit and courage. A new country was born from this. However the principles on which it was founded are rare today, and more often than not those who claim to be imbued with them will often turn on those who actually live and exercise them, freely accepting any cowardly propoganda and lies they are fed about these freemen. Most of the reasons those mighty courageous few fought and died for are once again being perpetrated against the citizens, some even worse than before. However the citizens now are cowardly and soft and will not even defend their fellow citizens, more often applauding the heroes invested with arresting those who would stand. At the same time men are dying and being disfigured in defence of those principles that are being cast aside and spit upon by these soft bellied cowards who claim to support them.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Fri May 09, 2008 4:30 pm

One of the reasons why I'd never live in IL...

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Fri May 09, 2008 4:36 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:... Also it appears he had 2 M2 .50 BMGs - which I don't know if CAN be made to be a non-NFA gun - and even then they may still be considered a taxable AOW/DD.

I think I've run into semi-auto conversions of M2's at gun shows in the past. But that was in Texas and it was pre-1994 CB as well. I'm pretty far out of my area on the subject. I wonder if a semi-M2 is still considered worse than say a Barrett M82A1 because it's still belt fed or something. IIRC, anything belt fed is always evil.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri May 09, 2008 4:38 pm

Oh.......I thought this was going to be a story about a Viagra truck hyjack....

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri May 09, 2008 8:19 pm

sore shoulder wrote:A few years back, there were some citizens who had some extremely advanced and powerfull weapons. The local govt said they were illegal and sent the proper authorities to confiscate them. At the same time those citizens decided they had the right to own them, so they said no, we will die first. A long and fierce battle ensued, which turned into a war, which they won due to their indominatable spirit and courage. A new country was born from this. However the principles on which it was founded are rare today, and more often than not those who claim to be imbued with them will often turn on those who actually live and exercise them, freely accepting any cowardly propoganda and lies they are fed about these freemen. Most of the reasons those mighty courageous few fought and died for are once again being perpetrated against the citizens, some even worse than before. However the citizens now are cowardly and soft and will not even defend their fellow citizens, more often applauding the heroes invested with arresting those who would stand. At the same time men are dying and being disfigured in defence of those principles that are being cast aside and spit upon by these soft bellied cowards who claim to support them.

100pts for Style.

Mich Hunter · Post by **Mich Hunter** » Fri May 09, 2008 11:12 pm

Funny thing is the article just says he was charged. There is nothing about him ever being convicted. As long as the 50 BMG that he had have the semi auto side plates, he is fine. They are ATF approved. You can find them on Gunbroker and transfer just like a deer rifle

Mokwaw · Post by **Mokwaw** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:32 am

....FOID......one of the reasons I will never move back to IL. I was born and raised to the age of 34 in S/E IL...I can positively attest to the fact there are many fine people, gun owners, hunters, outdoor people who are sick to death of the socialist state that IL has become, many of them personal friends, and I know in my heart they would stand to the finish if the gov't tried to take their guns. But, it seems their vote might as well be cast into the trash can as soon as they push the button. The greater Chicago area runs the entire state, and thus the good people south of that area suffer. It was rumored back when I was in high school that the Chicago area was going to become a state, had this happened it would have been for the better for the rest of the state.

O.S.O.K. · Post by **O.S.O.K.** » Sat May 10, 2008 9:52 am

There are a bunch of southern states that would welcome a wealthy guy with 85 guns and 50K rounds of ammo.

And did you see the %&*##% neighbor commenting "I don't know why anybody would need more than one gun reeely"

This kind of thing really mankes me mad - this guy's constitutional rights are being trampled on and the "free" media love it.