The Pacific Northwest
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The Pacific Northwest
Does anybody here live in Oregon or Washington? I'm a forester by trade. So far I have worked at a couple of paper mills in the south and at times I think I would really enjoy a change of pace and finding a job with a mill in the PNW and moving out there. I'm single, so moving isn't really a hard thing for me to do.
It would be a little bit before I could actually make such a move, but still, I've started tossing the idea around in my head. What is the political climate really like out that way? Are Oregon and Washington both about to turn into another California? What's the cost of living like? I assume it's a great place for a levergunner/outdoorsman to live except for Washington's crummy trapping regs. Like I said, I'm pretty much daydreaming at this point, but would like to hear input from people that live there, and if there are any foresters on the board from there, that would be even better.
It would be a little bit before I could actually make such a move, but still, I've started tossing the idea around in my head. What is the political climate really like out that way? Are Oregon and Washington both about to turn into another California? What's the cost of living like? I assume it's a great place for a levergunner/outdoorsman to live except for Washington's crummy trapping regs. Like I said, I'm pretty much daydreaming at this point, but would like to hear input from people that live there, and if there are any foresters on the board from there, that would be even better.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
The population centers are turning both states into norther California. The east side of both states being drug along no matter how we vote. Gun laws are getting worse and worse. Cost of living depends on location, here on the east side prices are better than the coast side but land is high everywhere so this isn't the best time to be buying. I've lived in Washington my whole life but the politics here have me looking at other states harder and harder every year. Problem is it's home and I love it here but the coasties need to go
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
Hi, I've lived in both states. They are most definitely going the CA route. As said above the East side of both states are in control. Moved to TX 12 years ago but I still have grown children in OR. They tell me it is getting much worse and is on a fast track in removing your rights.
I would look to ID and WY to relocate to. They both have strong forestry businesses.
Enjoy your search.
I would look to ID and WY to relocate to. They both have strong forestry businesses.
Enjoy your search.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
My people came to Oregon in the 1880s. My dad taught forestry at Oregon State.
Bottom line: Look at Idaho.
Bottom line: Look at Idaho.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
Our son lives in Salem, he has a degree in Forestry and no jobs available. He is sick and tired of the political climate there and is looking to bail.
Wyoming does not have anything like a booming timber industry.
Wyoming does not have anything like a booming timber industry.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
Idaho or Wyoming or Montana are still ok; they are part of " 'merica " and respect human rights. California, and now Oregon and Washington, have become socialist police states which manufacture imaginary 'rights' (like 'healthcare', 'education', 'housing', 'smoke-free workplace' - all nice things but NOT things you have some inherent right to have 'provided' for you) they can convince the electorate are only protected if they give their real rights (as in the Bill of Rights) over to the government.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
I've lived in WA since '85 when the Army brought me out here, and I stayed. It's still a pretty state, but the I-5 corridor traffic really sucks.
It's getting politically very left.
It's just like what others are saying.
If you come out here, I'd stay on the east side of the mountains. I personally have no idea about forestry jobs.
It's getting politically very left.
It's just like what others are saying.
If you come out here, I'd stay on the east side of the mountains. I personally have no idea about forestry jobs.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
I grew up in western Washington and it was a great place to live but has really gone down hill in recent years for all the reasons listed above. We moved to northern Idaho a few years ago and love everything about it. There are several large lumber mills within 20 min. drive of me. Hunting and fishing is awesome here. The wife and I took a drive the other day and saw 240+ deer, 80+ elk and a bunch of turkeys(yea my wife counts them).
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
Thanks for the input, guys. If I were to ever make the move, western Oregon or Washington is where I would want to be, so it sounds like that may be best left a day dream. I know north Idaho does have some mills and logging activity, but it just doesn't quite have the appeal to me that the coastal region has.
And as far as Wyoming....I don't think I've ever heard of big commercial sawmill there, and even if there is I know the industry isn't near on the level it is in the southern U.S. and the PNW.
And as far as Wyoming....I don't think I've ever heard of big commercial sawmill there, and even if there is I know the industry isn't near on the level it is in the southern U.S. and the PNW.
Re: The Pacific Northwest
After reading the Wyoming suggestion earlier I did some reading. Turns out though there aren't many there are few decent size sawmills in Wyoming, but they seem to be facing a wood shortage between beetle kills and the forest service not selling timber. Pretty interesting, learn something every day.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
The logging and timber industry is dead and buried down here in Northern California. I can count the number of mills on one hand between Sacramento and the CA-OR border. We have 30 - 50 percent dead loss throughout the Sierra thanks to the drought, bark beetles, the liberal-controlled state, and the liberal-controlled USFS. Your best bet is to look up north.
My dad retired as a forester about 10 years ago, my brother and I spent much of our early years on logging and fire crews, and it's just heart-breaking to watch the industry slide into oblivion.
Good luck in your endeavors, Bridger. Maybe Alaska?
My dad retired as a forester about 10 years ago, my brother and I spent much of our early years on logging and fire crews, and it's just heart-breaking to watch the industry slide into oblivion.
Good luck in your endeavors, Bridger. Maybe Alaska?
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
I'm up in the skagit valley. Mt. Vernon to be exact. There are two mills in the area. Hampton in Darrington they do fir spruce etc. The other is an alder mill outside of Burlington. The name escapes me. They're off Hwy 20 and an easy google search. There is another outfit in Burlington that builds joists out of chips. All three places seem to be busy. What the others say about the politics here is true. The east side of the state is only marginally better. Frigging lib-tards and snowflakes in the general pugettropistan run the place. I can retire now. We're looking to move out of state. ID or UT. on the short list. I would love to see the east side of the state become it's own new state, we'd move there if that happened.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
Heh, I go back to the early 60s in Tacoma. Remember this grade school rhyme:
"Whistle while your work,
Hitler is a jerk,
Rosellini bit his weenie
Now it doesn't squirt."
Al Rosellini was the Dem goobernor at the time. I was a Republican even as a kid ...
"Whistle while your work,
Hitler is a jerk,
Rosellini bit his weenie
Now it doesn't squirt."
Al Rosellini was the Dem goobernor at the time. I was a Republican even as a kid ...
Re: The Pacific Northwest
I have lived in WA most of my life, except a 5 year stint in OR, 2 years in Minnesota, and 3 years in Idaho. I have worked in the timber industry since 1974 in all of the places I have lived. I grew up on the east side and moved west in 74 to take a job with the USFS. I learned to cruise timber there and after 4 seasons took a job as a forester on a private tree farm. Since then I have bought logs, land and timber, wooded a cedar mill and an alder mill, and currently manage non-timber businesses for the company I work for.
Politics: Two counties run this state. King County and Pierce County. You get away from Seattle and Tacoma and the counties are pretty conservative. Unfortunately, there are more people in the Puget Sound trough than in the rest of the state, so if you are conservative your vote doesn't really count. That includes most of the west side counties as well as the east side counties.
Forestry: The laws regulating forestry in WA are the most rigorous in the country (Except for California, which is in a class all by itself). OR isn't as bad, but more rigorous than most other states which have BMPs (Best Management Practices). There is a forest practices LAW that you have to follow in WA and OR. Everything you do in forestry is complicated in the NW due to the regulations you have to understand and follow. Markets are much more complex due to the difference in prices based on log quality. When I valued land in Minnesota, it was child's play because the log values were all fairly similar to one another.
Jobs: There are jobs available, but you might have to just get in before you get to where you really want to be. Coming from the SE where timberland is pretty much vanilla, you will have culture shock when you come out here because there is so much to learn about the species, price differentials, and regulations that impact log and land values. Timberland values in the SE vary by a few hundred dollars per acre while prices in Western WA can vary by thousands of dollars per acre.
When I retire, I will be moving to Idaho where I will feel like my vote counts when I cast it. I have enjoyed working in Western WA and OR, but after battling the establishment for 43 years, I am tired of it and will be looking forward to a change.
Hope this is informative and helps you a bit.
Politics: Two counties run this state. King County and Pierce County. You get away from Seattle and Tacoma and the counties are pretty conservative. Unfortunately, there are more people in the Puget Sound trough than in the rest of the state, so if you are conservative your vote doesn't really count. That includes most of the west side counties as well as the east side counties.
Forestry: The laws regulating forestry in WA are the most rigorous in the country (Except for California, which is in a class all by itself). OR isn't as bad, but more rigorous than most other states which have BMPs (Best Management Practices). There is a forest practices LAW that you have to follow in WA and OR. Everything you do in forestry is complicated in the NW due to the regulations you have to understand and follow. Markets are much more complex due to the difference in prices based on log quality. When I valued land in Minnesota, it was child's play because the log values were all fairly similar to one another.
Jobs: There are jobs available, but you might have to just get in before you get to where you really want to be. Coming from the SE where timberland is pretty much vanilla, you will have culture shock when you come out here because there is so much to learn about the species, price differentials, and regulations that impact log and land values. Timberland values in the SE vary by a few hundred dollars per acre while prices in Western WA can vary by thousands of dollars per acre.
When I retire, I will be moving to Idaho where I will feel like my vote counts when I cast it. I have enjoyed working in Western WA and OR, but after battling the establishment for 43 years, I am tired of it and will be looking forward to a change.
Hope this is informative and helps you a bit.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
So....are Bridger and Bridger158 the same person?
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
Post count won't match because they are different accounts.
Doesn't answer whether it is 2 different people or one person with 2 accounts...
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
Many of the cities here on the west side are charging for plastic or paper grocery bags.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
Guys I hate to resurrect a very old thread, but I got to looking back at my old posts and reopened this one and saw the deal about bridger and bridger158. I guess I missed that way back when this thread was fresh. Anyway, they are the same person- me. No idea how the heck that happened and didn't know it had until I saw the question about it. Evidently at some point I forgot my password and created a new account that I by chance assigned the same password to, and the next time I logged in with what I thought was the new account I entered the old username and used what I thought was the new password and got in. What bizarre deal. Anyway, just wanted to put that out there.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
Bridger, if you could find a rewarding job in Oregon or Washington, the drop-dead gorgeous country and coast might just be worth holding your nose for the politics. I think I'd prefer the Northwest over Alabama. There is just a heck of a lot of liberal crapola that is counterbalanced by a freshly barbecued steak from a salmon you just caught. Of course, now I live in New Mexico.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
More power to ya....Bridger wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:03 pm Guys I hate to resurrect a very old thread, but I got to looking back at my old posts and reopened this one and saw the deal about bridger and bridger158. I guess I missed that way back when this thread was fresh. Anyway, they are the same person- me. No idea how the heck that happened and didn't know it had until I saw the question about it. Evidently at some point I forgot my password and created a new account that I by chance assigned the same password to, and the next time I logged in with what I thought was the new account I entered the old username and used what I thought was the new password and got in. What bizarre deal. Anyway, just wanted to put that out there.
Many of us have forgotten our passwords but not had any luck getting a new login..
I forgot mine many a moon ago and couldn't recover it. Couldn't get a new login.... I think I finally figured out how to email an admin offline and they reset it for me.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
Washington State from what I've been told is VERY different depending on which side of the mountains you're on.
I believe the east side is more 'Idahoan' in politics and philosophy, but the west side where the cities are is pretty much a socialist police-state where the only 'rights' are to take your neighbors stuff, demand your neighbors surrender any firearms they own, and have intimacy with sheep.
I believe the east side is more 'Idahoan' in politics and philosophy, but the west side where the cities are is pretty much a socialist police-state where the only 'rights' are to take your neighbors stuff, demand your neighbors surrender any firearms they own, and have intimacy with sheep.
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- marlinman93
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
Washington and Oregon are both similar in the fact that the I-5 corridor is a haven for liberals. Go almost anywhere on the Eastern side of the Cascade Range and you'll find a completely different mindset from West. Unfortunately the most population lives along the big cites up and down I-5, so they dictate what everyone else has to live with.AJMD429 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:06 pm Washington State from what I've been told is VERY different depending on which side of the mountains you're on.
I believe the east side is more 'Idahoan' in politics and philosophy, but the west side where the cities are is pretty much a socialist police-state where the only 'rights' are to take your neighbors stuff, demand your neighbors surrender any firearms they own, and have intimacy with sheep.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
Hey, watch it buster.and have intimacy with sheep.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
Eastside OK but Spokane area pretty liberal. In fact I think Spokane is now a sanctuary city also.
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Re: The Pacific Northwest
Yep..... Anyplace controlled by the Dims will be.roughcreek wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:47 pm Eastside OK but Spokane area pretty liberal. In fact I think Spokane is now a sanctuary city also.
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