Is this possible to the home hobbyist to do with just a reamer or should he seek professional help?
I pointed him here but just in case I figured I'd ask as well.
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Didn't they make a .356 336?Tycer wrote:The 35 Rem runs at 40K CUP and the 356 Win at 52k CUP. I would not do it.
Lots of stuff written about this. There is no earthly reason he NEEDS to do it. It isn't what the gun was designed for and will likely cost him more than just finding a .356 and paying the price.Tycer wrote:The 35 Rem runs at 40K CUP and the 356 Win at 52k CUP. I would not do it.
+1 Pete44ru is correct.You would have a HAND GRENADEPete44ru wrote:Marlin used special heatreating on receivers of the M-336ER (.356 Win), and IMO rechambering/rebarreling any other M-336 to .356W would be playing with fire (or a hand grenade).
+1.1886 wrote:It is no trick to handload the 220gr Speer flat point at 2200fps out of a modern(post 75 manufacture) Marlin .35 Rem. The .356 will push this bullet around 2300-2350fps. No animal will will be able to differentiate between the two. The .356 may give you about 50yrds of additional reach. Now if you just want something different I understand that sentiment. 1886.
+1 there, too.Hobie wrote: Lots of stuff written about this. There is no earthly reason he NEEDS to do it. It isn't what the gun was designed for and will likely cost him more than just finding a .356 and paying the price.
33,500 PSIjd45 wrote:Since it's been brought up that the .35 Remington is a 40K CUP cartridge, I'd like to ask a question. I've noticed that SAAMI has downgraded it to 33,500 CUP, & the load data on the Hodgdon site doesn't go beyond about 29K. I'm wondering why. I sure don't want to blow up my new, 1954 mfg'd 336RC, so I'll stick with the published loads, but I still wonder. Thanx for your input. jd45
I believe SAAMI specs the .30-30 at 38,000-40,000 c.u.p. Marlin was not using different receivers for the .30-30 and the .35 Rem. The milder pressure loading of the .35 Rem. is likely in deference to some of the older, weaker designs floating around. Assuming good mechanical condition, one would think that your 1954 RC is safe at .30-30 pressure levels. I would not try to load the Speer 220gr F.P. at 22000 f.p.s. in that rifle. I would stick with the 200gr round nose design at 1950-2000 f.p.s. It goes without saying that there is a difference between C.U.P. and P.S.I. Regards. 1886.jd45 wrote:Since it's been brought up that the .35 Remington is a 40K CUP cartridge, I'd like to ask a question. I've noticed that SAAMI has downgraded it to 33,500 CUP, & the load data on the Hodgdon site doesn't go beyond about 29K. I'm wondering why. I sure don't want to blow up my new, 1954 mfg'd 336RC, so I'll stick with the published loads, but I still wonder. Thanx for your input. jd45
Who told you that Pete?Pete44ru wrote:Marlin used special heatreating on receivers of the M-336ER (.356 Win), and IMO rechambering/rebarreling any other M-336 to .356W would be playing with fire (or a hand grenade).
I am with leverdude on this one. I too have asked similar questions regarding the modern Marlin receiver with respect to the .356 and the .375. I am told no difference. I have been told that sometime around 1975 marlin did make changes to the receiver. I know that in 1972 the 1895 .45-70 was introduced. I can not comment if that particular model's receiver is any different from other 336 receivers. I trust my source. He is well known among levergunners and not one to comment on unfamiliar matters. 1886.Leverdude wrote:Who told you that Pete?Pete44ru wrote:Marlin used special heatreating on receivers of the M-336ER (.356 Win), and IMO rechambering/rebarreling any other M-336 to .356W would be playing with fire (or a hand grenade).
I'v had the great pleasure of meeting a Marlin engineer several times & asked about heat treating. To his knowledge its BS. The only real difference in recievers as far as he knew was the barrel threads. No dimensional differences or heat treating for the .356, .375, .450 or 308MX.
Next time I see him I'll ask about the 356 in perticular but I'm curious where you got that info? Certainly my friends not perfect but he's all I got.
I'll run it by my buddy next time I see him. He has a 356 that I think he had them put together for him. If I remember right it was a simple matter of instaling a barrel & headspacing it. That said they might have had a 356 reciever around to use if it is different.Pete44ru wrote:[Who told you that Pete? ]
Someone at Marlin, when I raised that question during a conversation about other matters - years ago, in the mid-80's.
I'm not certain exactly but I know they take guns chambered for calibre into consideration. Thats why sammi for 45/70 is I think 28,000 cup but modern guns can go up to 44,000cup or so.I may be way off base, but isn't the SAAMI Spec based on the strength of the cartridge case and not the chamber? That would explain why the 30-30 has a higher SAAMI rating than the 35 Rem. and both are chambered in the same 336C.
The neck isn't what gets stressed during fireing. The area just above the web see's the most stress. Necks get split from repeated sizing, fireing & crimping.IIRC I have read that the 35 Rem case just isn't as strong as the 30-30 case and suffers from frequent neck splits. Though you couldn't prove it by me yet.
Not sure what you mean "full disclosure..."Hobie wrote:You might note that there will be different recommendations on doing it yourself vs. having somebody like Nonneman do it. Full disclosure saves everybody a lot of time and worry about you.