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Scott Young
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If you listen to those people talk, and hear the emotion and hurt and even dis-belief that this happened to them personally, it's pretty gripping. The idea that police would come and bang on my doors, yell at me through locked doors and demand me to open up, just to have them come in my house and ransack the place---grabiing all my rifles and handguns while shoving me and my wife around and threatening us with arrest or harm. It does just make your blood boil. I have a sizable investment here that is all legal. You'd want to do some bodily harm of your own.
To hell with them fellas, buzzards gotta eat same as the worms.
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As I recall, in those NO neighborhoods where the residents were organized for common defense, where the JBTs couldn't take their victims down one by one, there were no gun confiscations.
This is precisely why the government supresses and villifies the formation of local militias (you know, the kind intended by the 2nd Amendment), is to ensure that the People are unprepared, divided, and helpless when tyranny knocks down the door.
The People need to be prepared to resist the oppressive use of authority by those who hide behind the law.
This is precisely why the government supresses and villifies the formation of local militias (you know, the kind intended by the 2nd Amendment), is to ensure that the People are unprepared, divided, and helpless when tyranny knocks down the door.
The People need to be prepared to resist the oppressive use of authority by those who hide behind the law.
Government office attracts the power-mad, yet it's people who just want to be left alone to live life on their own terms who are considered dangerous.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
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Ysabel Kid
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As much as I agree with most of ScottT's assertions in his post:
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This is the counterpoint. You best be prepared, because there is a segment of our government, or rather an entire party and part of the other one, that would love nothing better than to disarm us completely and use any excuse to do so...
You're not wearing the "tinfoil" hat if you believe this; you're wearing a blindfold if you can't see it through examples like NO/Katrina...
viewtopic.php?t=6285
This is the counterpoint. You best be prepared, because there is a segment of our government, or rather an entire party and part of the other one, that would love nothing better than to disarm us completely and use any excuse to do so...
You're not wearing the "tinfoil" hat if you believe this; you're wearing a blindfold if you can't see it through examples like NO/Katrina...
Boys, I agree with you. What happened in New Orleans should never happen to US Citizens anywhere in this country.
But remember the cesspool that New Orleans is and was.
Now, exactly what do my tips on staying out of the dark place have to do with this kind of thing? This does not happen every day, this does not happen every decade, this simply does not happen often enough that you can remember the last time it happened. That makes it an anomoly.
Across the state line in Mississippi, they had things under control, and they did not resort to this kind of thing. They did not do this in St. Tamany Parish. Just in the cesspool. The police had let the situation in New Orleans get out of control. Many of my friends who were there tell stories about taking fire at night when they tried to patrol. Remember how rescue boats were fired on?
What the police should have done was to immediately put an end to the looting by shooting looters. They were easy to find and we saw plenty of them on the TV. But instead, they let this state of lawlessness exist and in some cases, New Orleans police officers engaged in looting.
But the police are the arm of the body politic. This is good and bad. But think about what it might be like if you could sepatate them from political control? Bad government is to blame for this horrible event. Bad govenrnment that the City residents re-elected even after the waters went down.
The lesson here: If you live in a cesspool, find another place to live or work to elect folks who will clean it up, not wallow in it.
I don't have a good answer for this, and if it happened often enough I might change my mind about the tinfoil hat crowd. As it is, it was a tragic anomoly.
But remember the cesspool that New Orleans is and was.
Now, exactly what do my tips on staying out of the dark place have to do with this kind of thing? This does not happen every day, this does not happen every decade, this simply does not happen often enough that you can remember the last time it happened. That makes it an anomoly.
Across the state line in Mississippi, they had things under control, and they did not resort to this kind of thing. They did not do this in St. Tamany Parish. Just in the cesspool. The police had let the situation in New Orleans get out of control. Many of my friends who were there tell stories about taking fire at night when they tried to patrol. Remember how rescue boats were fired on?
What the police should have done was to immediately put an end to the looting by shooting looters. They were easy to find and we saw plenty of them on the TV. But instead, they let this state of lawlessness exist and in some cases, New Orleans police officers engaged in looting.
But the police are the arm of the body politic. This is good and bad. But think about what it might be like if you could sepatate them from political control? Bad government is to blame for this horrible event. Bad govenrnment that the City residents re-elected even after the waters went down.
The lesson here: If you live in a cesspool, find another place to live or work to elect folks who will clean it up, not wallow in it.
I don't have a good answer for this, and if it happened often enough I might change my mind about the tinfoil hat crowd. As it is, it was a tragic anomoly.
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and Law Enforcement wonders why they're not popular.
That video is why Law Enforcement Types are not trusted by the folks. A lot of us are really really tired of Law Enforcement Officers breaking the law and disregarding the folk's rights under what they claim is the "Color of Authority" and "ORDERS" !!!
Those Gestapo, goon, Law Enforcement Officers that jumped that old lady in her kitchen ought to be serving 20+ years in prison.
That video is why Law Enforcement Types are not trusted by the folks. A lot of us are really really tired of Law Enforcement Officers breaking the law and disregarding the folk's rights under what they claim is the "Color of Authority" and "ORDERS" !!!
Those Gestapo, goon, Law Enforcement Officers that jumped that old lady in her kitchen ought to be serving 20+ years in prison.
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I live in Gulfport, Mississippi, and went through the hurricane. This kind of heavy handiness never happened from our wonderful Gulfport Police Force. Those guys worked around the clock and were there to protect and help us. They are the BEST!!!! I am very proud of them. I agree that NO is a cesspool and will always be. Art
Dead Calm is alive and well!!!!!!!
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Scott Young
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art i lived just north of gulfport during the storm. you're right about the police here in mississippi. my intentions weren't to demonize the police. i don't buy the excuse of it being an anomaly so it is ok. these were people who were violated by the State. i guess waco was an anomaly too and the flds bunch was an anomaly. and the Christians who are routinely persecuted by our government are anomalies too.
my problem is simply this. we are in such a death spiral as a nation that i fear we may never pull out of it. please don't take this as a doom and gloom post, rather hold tight to what you hold dear for one day it will be gone.
my problem is simply this. we are in such a death spiral as a nation that i fear we may never pull out of it. please don't take this as a doom and gloom post, rather hold tight to what you hold dear for one day it will be gone.
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Ysabel Kid
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ScottT -
Agreed - NO was, is, and probably will continue to be for quite some time a cesspool. Of course, it won't ever change if all the good people move out - and the police punishing the law abiding was not the way to encourage them to stay. Then again, that may have been one of the goals...
I'm just saying that pre-Katrina - let's say even 10 years ago, no one except a tin-foil hat wearing nutcase would believe any branch or level of government would pull that kind of stunt under any circumstances. Still hard to believe they did - and harder still to believe the idiot in charge got re-elected. That says a lot for the quality of the average American sheep - er, "citizen" - at least in the cesspool that is NO.
Good thing though - many states saw this, including my own, and their state legislatures were so outraged they immediately passed legislation prohibting this kind of stuff. There is hope!!!
Agreed - NO was, is, and probably will continue to be for quite some time a cesspool. Of course, it won't ever change if all the good people move out - and the police punishing the law abiding was not the way to encourage them to stay. Then again, that may have been one of the goals...
I'm just saying that pre-Katrina - let's say even 10 years ago, no one except a tin-foil hat wearing nutcase would believe any branch or level of government would pull that kind of stunt under any circumstances. Still hard to believe they did - and harder still to believe the idiot in charge got re-elected. That says a lot for the quality of the average American sheep - er, "citizen" - at least in the cesspool that is NO.
Good thing though - many states saw this, including my own, and their state legislatures were so outraged they immediately passed legislation prohibting this kind of stuff. There is hope!!!