.36 vs .44 '51 percussion
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.36 vs .44 '51 percussion
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Would anyone happen to know how many of these came in .44, rather than .36?
I just assumed it was a .36 but lately found out that they came in .44 also, so I measured and came up with 7/16".
It's an 1851 cap and ball navy replica, so don't get excited... although I was excited about the price that I picked it up for
Any other replica owners?
Would anyone happen to know how many of these came in .44, rather than .36?
I just assumed it was a .36 but lately found out that they came in .44 also, so I measured and came up with 7/16".
It's an 1851 cap and ball navy replica, so don't get excited... although I was excited about the price that I picked it up for
Any other replica owners?
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Re: .36 vs .44 '51 percussion
I can not answer your question, however I recently handled a .36 caliber 51 Navy and a 1860 Army .44 caliber together side by side and can definitely say the Navy feels better in my hand. While I prefer the.44 over the .36 for power I would probably go with the .36 based upon feel and handling. Fortunately I don't have to depend on either when the Wolf is at the door.
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Re: .36 vs .44 '51 percussion
Originals never came in .44. However, both Pietta and IIRC, ASM built some .44s on a rebated '51 frame. I'm not sure but Uberti may have done some also over the years.
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Re: .36 vs .44 '51 percussion
The 1860 would have been a .44.
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Re: .36 vs .44 '51 percussion
There are several around my place. I really like the 1860s best but that '51 in whichever cal can be very dependable with just a little tweakin'. A set of Treso nipples is the first thing and probably "Wonder Wads". Shoot that thing!
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Re: .36 vs .44 '51 percussion
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IIRC, the original Colt .44cal Model 1860 Army was built on the .36cal M-1851 frame, with the frame rebated for the larger diameter cylinder, and larger/longer gripframe/grips - similar to the way Colt made the .36cal Model 1862 from the smaller-framed .31cal Model 1849 frame.
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IIRC, the original Colt .44cal Model 1860 Army was built on the .36cal M-1851 frame, with the frame rebated for the larger diameter cylinder, and larger/longer gripframe/grips - similar to the way Colt made the .36cal Model 1862 from the smaller-framed .31cal Model 1849 frame.
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Re: .36 vs .44 '51 percussion
That's correct. I wasn't clear... Colt never made the "Belt Model of 1851" in a .44 caliber, but several of the recent clone manufacturers have invented one...Pete44ru wrote:.
IIRC, the original Colt .44cal Model 1860 Army was built on the .36cal M-1851 frame, with the frame rebated for the larger diameter cylinder, and larger/longer gripframe/grips - similar to the way Colt made the .36cal Model 1862 from the smaller-framed .31cal Model 1849 frame.
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Re: .36 vs .44 '51 percussion
Correct!Griff wrote:That's correct. I wasn't clear... Colt never made the "Belt Model of 1851" in a .44 caliber, but several of the recent clone manufacturers have invented one...Pete44ru wrote:.
IIRC, the original Colt .44cal Model 1860 Army was built on the .36cal M-1851 frame, with the frame rebated for the larger diameter cylinder, and larger/longer gripframe/grips - similar to the way Colt made the .36cal Model 1862 from the smaller-framed .31cal Model 1849 frame.
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IIRC, only one period model was basically a "1851" in .44 caliber, and that was the Dance Brothers model (most were .44 with a few in .36). Dance was one of many manufacturers trying to make handguns for the Confederacy during the civil war. Almost all of these were copies - some pretty good (like the Dance), others not good at all - of the most popular handgun of the period - the Colt 1851 Navy. The 1860 was considered harder to make, and with resources limited, and time of the essence, I'm not aware of any southern clones of the 1860 Army.
I love original and period-correct reproductions. I have a Pietta 1851 "sheriff", brass frame, in .44 caliber - but only because I got it for a song and little else. With so many nice period-correct cap & ball revolvers available, the others just don't interest me. That is not to say though that they wouldn't make fine shooters!
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I presume that, during the US Civil War, there were few or no Colt Model 1860 clones because IMO it would be much simpler to make an octagon barrel than to make the more complex M-1860's round barrel & loading ram housing, etc.
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I presume that, during the US Civil War, there were few or no Colt Model 1860 clones because IMO it would be much simpler to make an octagon barrel than to make the more complex M-1860's round barrel & loading ram housing, etc.
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Re: .36 vs .44 '51 percussion
GK Jr has the same Pietta in .44 unfortunately it was an "inert" copy sold in the UK to folks who couldn't have a live firing one, it always bugged me that it was the wrong caliber even though we couldn't shoot it.Ysabel Kid wrote:
I love original and period-correct reproductions. I have a Pietta 1851 "sheriff", brass frame, in .44 caliber - but only because I got it for a song and little else. With so many nice period-correct cap & ball revolvers available, the others just don't interest me. That is not to say though that they wouldn't make fine shooters!
I had three Colt clones, a 1851 by Uberti in .36, a Metropolitan police by Pietta in .36 and a little 1849 pocket Colt in .31.
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Re: .36 vs .44 '51 percussion
Copy of the .44 1851 REB model, produced in the South, during the Civil war. It had a brass frame, due to the South's lack of raw materials and Factories.
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Re: .36 vs .44 '51 percussion
Euroarms, IIRC; was the first to make the 51 in 44 cal as a replica. Followed by ASM and Pietta.
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Re: .36 vs .44 '51 percussion
The South did use a lot of brass for frames, due to the lack of iron, which was saved for cylinders and barrels (which could not be done in brass). However, I believe the 1851 "Reb" in .44 is a creative interpretation, not based on anything that really existed.tman wrote:Copy of the .44 1851 REB model, produced in the South, during the Civil war. It had a brass frame, due to the South's lack of raw materials and Factories.