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Bought this on a lark for $25 at a Sherrifs auction in 06. Threw it in a closet and forgot about it. Found it when cleaning out a closet couple weeks ago. Decided to see how useful it might be. Put a soda can on the ground about 15 feet away. After a few reloads and no hits I closed to 10 feet. 1 in 3. Got closer. Started hitting 2 out of 3. The barrels aren't regulated at all as far as I can tell, and the ratchet trigger mechanism leaves me guessing which barrel is firing. I need to try a paper plate at 5-7 ft and see how it groups.
"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance." Declaration of Independance, July 4, 1776 11B30
It's not a target pistol, it's made for arm's length encounters. Nobody I know wants to get shot not even with something like that. Even a hit with something like that will cause someone to leak. Maybe not before they beat you senseless but it will change their attitude for sure.
If you're gonna be stupid ya gotta be tough-
Isiah 55:8&9
It's easier to fool people than it is to convince them they have been fooled.
To state the obvious, they're modern clones of the old .41 RF Remington Double Derringer, and can make nice eye candy.
I've owned a few, in .22LR, .22Mag & .38Spec, back in the early 70's, and can say they make "okay" tackle-box or coupe' de gras' guns, or as a last ditch belly-gun (i.e. to be shot @ belly-to-belly range).
They DO have a serious short-coming, though - they WILL discharge if dropped on anything harder than a cloud, since (due to the design/weight distribution) they always rotate during the drop & land on the hammer.
At least your's appears to be one of the later models, as it looks to have a crossbolt safety - which shoud negate the minus, IF it's applied religiously ( a tough call for belly gun instant use).
I have one in .38 spl that isn't too bad @ 10' or so. Used to be my "back yard" gun loaded very light with
HBWC's for targets of oppertunity. Beyond 15 feet it's kinda useless unless the target is refrigerator size.
That's why I bought the NAA 1860 a couple months ago. When I'm out walking the dogs or int the back yard I have the LR cyl loaded with one CCI bird shot for the rather arrogant crows in my neighborhood, two CB's and two high vel. HP's incase the local coyote is interested in one of my smaller dogs. Around town I've been carryng it with the Mag cyl and the new Winchter PD 40 grain hollow points. Nasty little buggers.
jb
jasonB " Another Dirty Yankee"
" Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"
Great for shooting yourself in the hand with.... I (no BS) have known four people who've done so with derringers of that type. Including knowledgeable shooters, not idiots (50%).
I'd rather have an LCP. Less weight, same size, 8 rounds you can actually AIM.
I have one made by Cobra. It's pretty good to 10-feet and a hit or a miss but mostly a hit beyond that. I carry mine in my fishing-tackle box usually loaded with a snake round in the top barrel and a regular 40gr HP .22LR in the bottom barrel - top barrels fires first.
Here it is with some of my of .22 pistols.
When the fish aren't biting, I use it for plinking at odd-ball targets around where I'm fishing to pass the time. I always keep a couple of boxes of ammo in the firshing-tackle box for just such times.
MrMurphy wrote:Great for shooting yourself in the hand with.... I (no BS) have known four people who've done so with derringers of that type. Including knowledgeable shooters, not idiots (50%).
The day I spent an hour messing with it and doing reload drills, I was not very comfortable with the entire process.
I'd rather have an LCP. Less weight, same size, 8 rounds you can actually AIM.
8? Mine is 6+1. But I concur.
"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance." Declaration of Independance, July 4, 1776 11B30
Modoc ED wrote: I carry mine in my fishing-tackle box usually loaded with a snake round
I like that, snake/bird shot.
Here it is with some of my of .22 pistols.
When the fish aren't biting, I use it for plinking at odd-ball targets around where I'm fishing to pass the time. I always keep a couple of boxes of ammo in the firshing-tackle box for just such times.
Nice mess of pistols. That sounds like a fun way to play with it.
In any event, I just can't take the thing seriously as a defensive arm. I'm pretty sure I could do more damage with my fist or thumb in someones eye, and with more accuracy.
"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance." Declaration of Independance, July 4, 1776 11B30
MrMurphy wrote:I was off by a round, I had a P32 (8 shot) before the LCP.
Dang. I was hoping there was an extended mag available.
"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance." Declaration of Independance, July 4, 1776 11B30
I've had several over the years. Had a 5 shot derringer in 22lr/22mag made be North American arms I carried back in me beer joint days. It had two cylinders with it, and you HAD to take the cylinder out to load/unload it. You also HAD to hold the hammer back to take the cylinder out, or put it back in. I blew part of the end of my finger off doing just that one time.
The best derringer i ever carried was a Hi-Standard 2 shot in 22 mag. it was big enough not to be dangerous and safer than the NAA 5 shot.
I look at pocket guns this way. The gun you carry to KEEP you from becoming a statistic will work, if you aren't afraid to use it. The gun you WISH you had when you became a statistic can never help you.
loose your temper, and you loose a friend, lie and you loose yourself.
To me, the role of the mini-revolvers and .22 derringers is mostly that of a last-ditch, stick-it-in-a-nostril-or-ear-and-pull-the-trigger hideout gun.
Concho wrote:I've had several over the years. Had a 5 shot derringer in 22lr/22mag made be North American arms I carried back in me beer joint days. It had two cylinders with it, and you HAD to take the cylinder out to load/unload it. You also HAD to hold the hammer back to take the cylinder out, or put it back in. I blew part of the end of my finger off doing just that one time.
The best derringer i ever carried was a Hi-Standard 2 shot in 22 mag. it was big enough not to be dangerous and safer than the NAA 5 shot.
I look at pocket guns this way. The gun you carry to KEEP you from becoming a statistic will work, if you aren't afraid to use it. The gun you WISH you had when you became a statistic can never help you.
Why would you have your finger in front of the barrel?
Dogging a design for it's short comings when you didn't handle it properly is not the
fault of the firearm!
As for they're only good for sticking up someone's nose you haven't tried one with a boot grip and a 4" barrel,
whole different critter. However they are still 5 Shooters, if you need any more than that you should have assessed
your situation more wisely!
jb
jasonB " Another Dirty Yankee"
" Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"
Concho wrote:I've had several over the years. Had a 5 shot derringer in 22lr/22mag made be North American arms I carried back in me beer joint days. It had two cylinders with it, and you HAD to take the cylinder out to load/unload it. You also HAD to hold the hammer back to take the cylinder out, or put it back in. I blew part of the end of my finger off doing just that one time.
The best derringer i ever carried was a Hi-Standard 2 shot in 22 mag. it was big enough not to be dangerous and safer than the NAA 5 shot.
I look at pocket guns this way. The gun you carry to KEEP you from becoming a statistic will work, if you aren't afraid to use it. The gun you WISH you had when you became a statistic can never help you.
I was not saying it was the firearm's fault. I have had several "mis-haps" in th (PAST) with firearms, and the common denominator in ALL of them was I was drinking. My comments on the NAA derringer were made discussing my dislike for the design of the pistol. I am not the type to blame any firearm for a "mis-hap", and never have. I guess I didn't word that right.
Why would you have your finger in front of the barrel?
Dogging a design for it's short comings when you didn't handle it properly is not the
fault of the firearm!
As for they're only good for sticking up someone's nose you haven't tried one with a boot grip and a 4" barrel,
whole different critter. However they are still 5 Shooters, if you need any more than that you should have assessed
your situation more wisely!
jb
loose your temper, and you loose a friend, lie and you loose yourself.
MrMurphy wrote:Great for shooting yourself in the hand with.... I (no BS) have known four people who've done so with derringers of that type. Including knowledgeable shooters, not idiots (50%).
The day I spent an hour messing with it and doing reload drills, I was not very comfortable with the entire process.
I'd rather have an LCP. Less weight, same size, 8 rounds you can actually AIM.
sore shoulder -- would pay good money to see you show up at the next quarterly Qual with that derringer...the words that would pour forth from the Range Officer would be worth the cost of admission. back in the bad-ole-corrupt-days of NYPD, that derringer would be used as a "drop"...just saying... :)
I have one in my tackle box. I almost used it for a sinker one day after shooting at a neutria. I didn`t hit the water rat,heck I almost missed the river. They are not very accurate.
I like the .38 variants shooting "Collar Button" loads.
Messy at knife-fighting range....
C2N14... because life is not energetic enough. מנא, מנא, תקל, ופרסין Daniel 5:25-28... Got 7.62?
Not Depressed enough yet? Go read National Geographic, July 1976 Gott und Gewehr mit uns!
I think the problem of shooting ones hand was mainly with the older ones. The older ones could be opened, loaded and closed with the hammer down holding a firing pin protruding enough to go off when closed. Thus shooting your hand if you weren't careful. The current versions are all pretty much rebounding hammer designs so they are somewhat safer. For that reason they are probably the only gun I would appreciate having a rebounding hammer.
I do think these make great tackle-box guns when loaded with shot loads for snakes and such.
I've had one of the High Standard DA .22 Magnum derringers since the 1970s...used to carry it clipped to the Kevlar vest carrier as a third stringer to my duty gun and snubbie backup. It will get the job done up close and with a little practice I have hit silhouette targets out to 25 yards.. Velocity with CCI TNT HPs is 1200 fps...
As to the NAA Mini-Revolvers I've found them to be very accurate. Have a Mini-Master and a Black Widow and have no problem at all shooting them better than most people can shoot a .38 Snubbie...
The ones in and around the bullseye are 5 and 10 yards...the five lower shots are from 25 yards...
The ones in the dot are 5 and 10 yards...those holes not circled are 25 yards...
The Mini-Mater would probably outshoot the Black Widow but the trigger pull on the MM is much heavier than that of the BW...
Fun little guns...just have to hold on tight to make them shoot straight...
