POLITICS - Obama's Preacher - Politics - Religion

[Charles]

I have been wondering when Obama's church and Pastor would become a serious issue in the election campaign. It has been sitting there like a time bomb and it was just a matter of time until it blew.

I went to the web site of his church some months back and poked around trying to find out what it was all about. It didn't take but a couple of minutes to figure out there Obama has some real problems.

Most of the statments on the web site were pretty general and presented in flowery terms with very little of anything specific. However when you go to their book store link, and see the books they are selling if becomes obvious they are deep in to Black Liberation Theology.

Liberation Theology had it's origins in South American some years back with some young maverick Catholic Priests who took Marxism and gave it a veneer of Christian terms.

Marx saw society as being divided between the working class and the rulling class (Proletariat). This Proletariat had dictatorial control over the working class and exploited them for profit. There was to be a great "class stuggle" which would end with classless/communistic state.

The Liberation Theology boys, saw society as being devided by the oppressed and the oppressors. Salvation was not personal, but the wresting of power from the oppressors for the benefit of the oppressed. The work of the Church was to facilitate this social salvation. Any means including violence could be used to bring out this "salvation" of the oppressed from the oppressors.

The Feminist movement and the Afro-American movement picked this up and simply substituted male/female and white/colored for opressed and the oppressors.

The outlandish, biggoted statments of Rev. Wright are throughly consistant with this very sick theology.

Liberation Theology in all of it's forms is not near as common today as it was 20 to 30 years ago. But, it still holds on among the more radical of people. I don't call them Christians, because I don't believe you can find anyway to fit this nonsense into the orthodox Christian faith. But you can't prevent folks from slaping the label on all forms of sick thought to make it more acceptable and gain protection under religious freedom.

Now Obama has been a member of that "church" for twenty years and now he claim he had never heard any of this stuff. That is impossible as this theology is "as plain as a rat turd in the sugar bowl" to quote Skeeter Skelton. The entire church is organized around this theology. To say, this is news to me, is beyond anything a rational person can swallow. YOu cannot attend this church for 20 years and not know what it was about.

This man Obama is not what he wants us to believe he is. He is a man with layers of adgenda hidded behind a baratone voice and a facade of a good simple man.

[guido4198]

I too have poked around on this one for a while. While I'm upset that we may have a Democrat candidate for the Presidency who has endorsed this kind of stuff for over 20 years..yes, he has endorsed it. He has endorsed it by his presence, his cash, and by the simple fact that knowing what these people espouse...he has remained. So..that's out of the way. Fact is however...while it upsets ME, I wasn't an Obama supporter prior to learning this. I suspect that many, if not MOST of his support is coming from people who have NO Problem with his pastor because they hate America too. That's the whole point of his candidacy after all...he promises to bring CHANGE to this country. It's in the hands of the voters to determine if they want HIS KIND IF CHANGE or not. Senator Obama is not a "box of chocolates"( to quote Forrest Gump...and NO play on words intended or implied..)...we DO know what we'll get. His record is clear. No surprises with this guy. He's an extreme left-wing liberal and if that's what the majority of the electorate want...we'll have it, and THEN SOME..!!
Guido's 2 cents.

[C. Cash]

+1

The reaction to this in the press is at least much better today than the 90's, where very few in the spineless left wing media/educational system would counter the hatefilled rhetoric of Louis Farrakan. Cal Thomas was one of the only ones I can truly remember. I hope that the public is not fooled that these thoughts are limited to the radical African American church....these are standard mantras of the far Left. They believe the US had 9/11 coming to it for because of her "Imperialism" overseas and offenses here. It's been taught in our schools for many years. I'll never forget the news programs on CNN and othersthat I saw before the bodies were even cold after 9/11, investigating why the US brought this on themselves. It's been largely forgotten by the masses, but I'll never forget it.

[donw]

i do not trust obama as far as i "can throw him"...

[salvo]

Obama, not holding his hand over his heart during the national anthem or refusing to wear a flag lapel pin, brings new meaning in light of his beliefs.Even though he denies them.
I had no idea the hatred that is spewed in churches all over this country. I guess bigotry and racism is alive and well

[Jeeps]

Marx saw society as being divided between the working class and the rulling class (Proletariat). This Proletariat had dictatorial control over the working class and exploited them for profit. There was to be a great "class stuggle" which would end with classless/communistic state.

I see society in the same divide among the classes. However I am fine with this.
In order to have the technology and means of living we have, this is the byproduct
of getting it all organized.

I know and accept I am a "lower class" citizen.

I don't think there should be a class struggle or war of any kind. This is why
I put my faith in Jesus and the Bill of Rights.

As long as they don't put their "thumb" on me and I have my freedom I can
live a happy life.
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Obama's "mentor" is not a preacher at all and probably has never been.
He is an instigator of the first class. A race and class baiter.

We have kids and adults overseas being indoctrinated into hating the USA,
and we have too many doing the same thing at home. This man is a perfect
example.

Charles, you are very correct to say that if Obama has been part of this congregation
for twenty years he has no standing to be able to say he knows nothing of this.
I don't believe in guilt by association but this goes way beyond that.

There can never be racial peace with people like this running around. It makes me
very sad.

I have black friends who are good men, and served with black men in the
Corps who I would gladly face my last moments in foxhole with and consider
myself a lucky man.

That being said, I watched Bill Oreilly last night and he had two black women
who were well educated with whom he was having a discussion about this matter.

They agreed with everything the preacher said and I literally sat there with
my mouth hanging open.

Makes my conspiratorial side think that between his preachers beliefs and
the fact that he considered him a "mentor" for twenty years that maybe, just
maybe they consider the time ripe with the Congress full of people just dying
to give sympathy to any "oppressed" group he could open the proverbial "gates"
to forces that would do harm to America. I don't mean militarily but socially, economically,
although we are doing a good job of that on our own

[greasy dan]

I am not trying to start a debate here... I just like to see both sides. A friend sent this...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature=related
Make of it what you will...
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[Charles]

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I am not trying to start a debate here... I just like to see both sides. A friend sent this...


Ain't freedom of religion grand!!! (- :

[Blaine]

Who's surprised? That "church" espouses exactly what the Commie/Socialist/Dempcraptic left has been saying all my life....except The Rev don't sugar coat it much.....

[Charles]

Jeeps.... I have met and known all kinds of people in this old world and I have never known a "lower class" person based on economics. I have know some salt of the earth folks, ****, and trash from every level of the economic ladder. Some of the folks with the most class didn't have two nickles to rub together.

Education, money and status means nothing when it comes to class.

I have spent some years working among the poorest of the poor Indians in the Andean Mountains. Many of them had more character than the entire Board of a Fortune 500 company.

[Jarhead]

Jeeps.... I have met and known all kinds of people in this old world and I have never known a "lower class" person based on economics. I have know some salt of the earth folks, ****, and trash from every level of the economic ladder. Some of the folks with the most class didn't have two nickles to rub together.

Education, money and status means nothing when it comes to class.

I have spent some years working among the poorest of the poor Indians in the Andean Mountains. Many of them had more character than the entire Board of a Fortune 500 company.

Charles,

Amen! I have met people with less than an 8th grade education that I had more respect for than those with PHDs, etc. I like those that like to KISS..."KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID" I was in a Corporate Leadership position and disliked most of my peers! They were comprised mainly of Corporate "suck butts" who cared only about their own agenda. I was a "Mavrick," and feel darn lucky to have survived a 20 year career. I was pushed out, but not without a good fight. I retired with my pension and my medical, and it was one heck of a scrap
They hired security guards to guard the building Because my boss related that he was afraid for his own personal safety....but that's another topic.

[Jeeps]

Jeeps.... I have met and known all kinds of people in this old world and I have never known a "lower class" person based on economics. I have know some salt of the earth folks, ****, and trash from every level of the economic ladder. Some of the folks with the most class didn't have two nickles to rub together.

Education, money and status means nothing when it comes to class.

I have spent some years working among the poorest of the poor Indians in the Andean Mountains. Many of them had more character than the entire Board of a Fortune 500 company.

There are two kinds of "class" I was referring to.

My old boss when I used to drive a beer truck was probably worth around
$200 million. Very nice guy, but when he walked into a room you knew who
he was by his manner and confidence, people treated him differently than
they would others, and he did deserve it, he was a very good man who would
help you if you needed it. Always had time to talk and give advice.
Both by his actions and his treatment. He helped
his father build that business from the ground up. He deserved everything
he has. To know him was to see a person who was "a class above".

The other kind are the ones who are born into a the upper class. They may
not deserve the title upper class. But they "know" they are. They may be
rotten people, they may be nice, but make no mistake that they "know"
they are better than you, and it gets proven every day when people faun
all over them and tell them so.

I wasn't talking "class" as you put it above to make a social point, but "class" as
meant by your original posting of marxism, and how they defined it.

Let's not get them mixed up.

You know, "class struggle", as you had first said and not, "a person who has
class or lack thereof" based on moral standing.

My mother had an 8th grade education, was married to a man who fought
in Africa and Italy during WWII, she grew up during very hard times in our
past, and all three of her sons served their country in the armed forces.

She was a woman of CLASS no doubt.

Obama's preacher is totally devoid of class both by action and intent.

[bj94]

All of this needs to be kept quiet until he has clinched the nomination. Maybe I put too much faith in the average American voter, but I like to think that if all was known about Hussein Obama, he would not be electable.

OTOH we probably already know everything there is to know about Hillary.