C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:02 pm

I have 3 cylinders for my 1858 New Army, 2 C&B & one .45ACP Conversion.

I'd like to be able to carry the spare cylinders securely on my belt.

Will speed-loader pouches work to carry them securely?

JohndeFresno · Post by **JohndeFresno** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:08 pm

OI,

From time to time I have considered having a similar setup. The revolver is inexpensive and under the radar. But those conversion cylinders are so blasted expensive. I looked at carrying them in a pocket or pouch to protect them from brush, dings, and so on. How did Clint carry them in that movie?

765x53 · Post by **765x53** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:13 pm

How ever you choose to carry them, do not carry the C&B cylinders capped.
Dropping a loaded and capped cylinder on a gravel or rocky surface could be dangerous. A possible six round burst!

Has anyone ever seen historical documentation of the carrying of multiple loaded cylinders?
I believe it is Hollywood BS

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:13 pm

As I've mentioned, from time to time I carry a short barreled 1860 Army concealed (I knew I was born in the wrong century). I carry the spare cylinder in a pouch I picked up from Cabela's. Here's the link. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Triple-K ... l+Products

All of this probably comes from watching too many westerns. But then, I was born when westerns were high entertainment, so I guess it all works out in the end.

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:27 pm

What 765x53 said +1. A loaded and capped cylinder is a deadly weapon and it don`t care who it shoots. In a battle speed is of the essence but for sporting purposes I would carry them uncapped and a capper on a thong around the neck and stuffed in a shirt pocket. I carry my comas that way also.

Ben_Rumson · Post by **Ben_Rumson** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:52 pm

On the 1858s...Depending on how tight or loose the cylinder pin fit to the cylinder is, even after one firing removing the cylinder can be problematic..The Ruger BP Revolver is a different story as is the Rogers & Spencer which originally solved the cylinder pin sticking in the frame from fouling issue...

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:47 pm

True, the Ruger was easier to swap cylinders on, but I'm not looking fo speed as much as availability. Reloading a cylinder with cold fingers is rather annoying...

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:46 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:True, the Ruger was easier to swap cylinders on, but I'm not looking fo speed as much as availability. Reloading a cylinder with cold fingers is rather annoying...

I'm pretty sure they carried more than one, rather than relying on a swift cylinder change

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:17 pm

BlaineG wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:True, the Ruger was easier to swap cylinders on, but I'm not looking fo speed as much as availability. Reloading a cylinder with cold fingers is rather annoying...
I'm pretty sure they carried more than one, rather than relying on a swift cylinder change

I'm poor... not well off.. Extra cylinders are cheaper than extra guns. (about 1/4 the price for C&B and 1/2 the price for centerfire...)

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:27 pm

jeepnik wrote:As I've mentioned, from time to time I carry a short barreled 1860 Army concealed (I knew I was born in the wrong century). I carry the spare cylinder in a pouch I picked up from Cabela's. Here's the link. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Triple-K ... l+Products

All of this probably comes from watching too many westerns. But then, I was born when westerns were high entertainment, so I guess it all works out in the end.

Carrying an 1860 concealed is soooo cool IMO. If I spotted it I would be so wanting to shake your hand.

Any one tried patch lube all over the cyl pin? No experience myself!

Nath.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:35 pm

Nath wrote:[...

Carrying an 1860 concealed is soooo cool IMO. If I spotted it I would be so wanting to shake your hand.

Any one tried patch lube all over the cyl pin? No experience myself!

Nath.

Actually, yes. Greasing the Pin helps beaucoups...

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:37 pm

jeepnik wrote:As I've mentioned, from time to time I carry a short barreled 1860 Army concealed (I knew I was born in the wrong century). I carry the spare cylinder in a pouch I picked up from Cabela's. Here's the link. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Triple-K ... l+Products

All of this probably comes from watching too many westerns. But then, I was born when westerns were high entertainment, so I guess it all works out in the end.

By federal law then you are not carrying a firearm as it does not use metallic cartridges, CA law may be a different story. Arrested a felon one time after he shot at a guy with a C&B revolver charges of felon in possession of a firearm not valid.
I am impressed with the effort, do you shoot it each morning and start with a fresh load?

harry · Post by **harry** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:47 pm

Paladin wrote:
jeepnik wrote:As I've mentioned, from time to time I carry a short barreled 1860 Army concealed (I knew I was born in the wrong century). I carry the spare cylinder in a pouch I picked up from Cabela's. Here's the link. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Triple-K ... l+Products

All of this probably comes from watching too many westerns. But then, I was born when westerns were high entertainment, so I guess it all works out in the end.
By federal law then you are not carrying a firearm as it does not use metallic cartridges, CA law may be a different story. Arrested a felon one time after he shot at a guy with a C&B revolver charges of felon in possession of a firearm not valid.
I am impressed with the effort, do you shoot it each morning and start with a fresh load?

Don't try that in Wyoming, felons are not allowed to have any BP gun.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:56 pm

harry wrote:
Paladin wrote:
jeepnik wrote:As I've mentioned, from time to time I carry a short barreled 1860 Army concealed (I knew I was born in the wrong century). I carry the spare cylinder in a pouch I picked up from Cabela's. Here's the link. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Triple-K ... l+Products

All of this probably comes from watching too many westerns. But then, I was born when westerns were high entertainment, so I guess it all works out in the end.
By federal law then you are not carrying a firearm as it does not use metallic cartridges, CA law may be a different story. Arrested a felon one time after he shot at a guy with a C&B revolver charges of felon in possession of a firearm not valid.
I am impressed with the effort, do you shoot it each morning and start with a fresh load?
Don't try that in Wyoming, felons are not allowed to have any BP gun.

Not exactly (though mostly) true, but...

It's one of the dumbest and contradictory laws ever... considering that WY law ALSO mandates that all Felons being released from Rawlins receive a Saddle (no horse), Rifle (no ammo), and $20 on release from prison...

But, according to FEDERAL "law" C&Bs/ML's are not "guns".

Can States "strengthen" that? To an extent, but not if it violates the 2nd Am... not if the State incorporated the Constitution.

The problem is that no one can challenge the Law - even on Constitutional grounds - without "standing"... i.e you have to be arrested, beaten, jailed and otherwise abused before you can make a Complaint...

Who wants to go through that?

JohndeFresno · Post by **JohndeFresno** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:36 pm

In re: What is a firearm in California? From Calif DOJ pamphlet:

Firearms
The term firearm includes rifles, shotguns, revolvers, pistols, or any other device
designed to be used as a weapon from which a projectile is expelled by the force of any
explosion or other form of combustion. The term firearm includes the frame or receiver
of any such weapon. (Penal Code § 12001.)
For the purposes of sections 12025 and 12031, the term firearm also includes any
rocket, rocket propelled projectile launcher, or similar device containing any explosive
or incendiary material whether or not the device is designed for emergency or distress
signaling purposes. (Penal Code § 12001.)

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:52 pm

JohndeFresno wrote:I looked at carrying them in a pocket or pouch to protect them from brush, dings, and so on. How did Clint carry them in that movie?

Looks like belt pouches like a speed loader would be carried in:

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:05 pm

Guys, I'm really not interested in how the movies did it, I'm interested in what works.

Unless I'm planning on camping, I really don't want to mess with reloading my C&B pistol while in the woods.

I really never expect to "need" more than 6, but sometimes stuff happens.

In that case, an extra 6 of C&B/ML could be a good thing. After that, well, that is what the ACP cylinder is for.

Still, I am simply looking for a tried & true method of carrying capped & loaded cylinders in the safest way possible. (yes, I know that dropping a capped C&B cylinder could be bad... so can dropping a 40mm grenade. Give me a break here...)

Has anyone tried putting a .44 C&B cylinder into an Uncle Mike's Speed-loader pouch?

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:01 pm

Paladin wrote:
jeepnik wrote:As I've mentioned, from time to time I carry a short barreled 1860 Army concealed (I knew I was born in the wrong century). I carry the spare cylinder in a pouch I picked up from Cabela's. Here's the link. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Triple-K ... l+Products

All of this probably comes from watching too many westerns. But then, I was born when westerns were high entertainment, so I guess it all works out in the end.
By federal law then you are not carrying a firearm as it does not use metallic cartridges, CA law may be a different story. Arrested a felon one time after he shot at a guy with a C&B revolver charges of felon in possession of a firearm not valid.
I am impressed with the effort, do you shoot it each morning and start with a fresh load?

No, I'm not Hicock. I've played with leaving it loaded for prolonged periods (up to about 3 months) and never had a problem. I suspect that firing the cylinder(s) off daily is likely more myth than truth. Sure if it had been exposed to alot of moisture, but SoCal is basically a desert.

John, thanks for answering the legal question. Saved me from digging it out.

765x53 · Post by **765x53** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:03 pm

For reloading a C&B in the field, these are the ticket. http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_in ... ts_id=7713

Add your measured powder charge and plug with a Lee conical that has been lubed with liquid Allox.
No wads or grease necessary.

harry · Post by **harry** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:50 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:I have 3 cylinders for my 1858 New Army, 2 C&B & one .45ACP Conversion.

I'd like to be able to carry the spare cylinders securely on my belt.

Will speed-loader pouches work to carry them securely?

You are going to need pouches for a large cylinder, say 460/500 s&w or so, I have dual loader pouches for my ruger 44 that were sewn with two rows of stitches between each pouch and I had to rip the stiching out and put one row in the middle so that I could easily get the loaders out. Next thing you might want to do is take a rod and weld a washer on one end to run up through the cylinder pin hole and have it stick out, maybe up through the flap, so you have something to grab onto to pull the cylinders out of the pouches. You might give these guys a call and see if they can help:http://nevadagunleather.com/Speed-Loader-Pouch-280.htm

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:52 pm

I looked at speedloader pouches and even one that carries a cylinder horizontally on a belt. But in the end, I went with the purpose made spare cylinder pouch. It's more secure than the horizontal setup, and certainly fits better than a speedloader pouch.

C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?

Re: C&B Cylinder reloads - how do you tote?