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Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:20 pm

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C. Cash · Post by **C. Cash** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:26 pm

Those bottom groups are outstanding....good shooting Pitchy Can't help but love the 35's. Hoping to find out what a Beartooth 210 gr. LFNGC will do to a hog here very soon, in my 356 Win. I shoot it about like a 35 Rem. My son wil be shooting the Ranch Dog 265's in his 44 Marlin. Should be fun.

JohndeFresno · Post by **JohndeFresno** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:36 pm

Thanks, Pitchy. Great bottom groups.

The photos give a quick, definitive answer to those ask why we reload!

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:38 pm

Both guns seem to like the 4198/220gr Speer load a lot

That is fine shooting Pitchy

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:38 pm

so are you ready to take on the Barrow gang?

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:04 pm

very nice groups on that second target. I haven't shot my marlin in .35 remington yet but that is happening next week!!

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:15 pm

Thanks guys.

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:23 pm

That is amazing stroke of good luck Mr P. Those are two versatile rifles you have and efficient.

Thanks for sharing.

N.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:26 pm

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stretch · Post by **stretch** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:30 pm

Not a lot to choose between the two with that 220 gr. load, eh?

Nice targets!

-Stretch

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:59 pm

Nice looking firearms, glad you posted the pictures

damienph · Post by **damienph** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:20 pm

Thanks for the range report Pitchy; I'll have to try that 220 gr load in my 336C. I just thought that mine was accurate. Thanks!!

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:29 pm

Pitchy, nice to see those groups snuggle up. My Model 8 in .35 Rem is 104 years old -- built in 1908. I need to get a firing pin for her.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:42 pm

Thanks guys.

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:06 pm

My .35 Marlin 336 is a great shooter especially with cast bullets.
A little more load tinkering and you will have a couple of super hunting rifles there.
FUN FUN !!

ollogger · Post by **ollogger** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:27 pm

Hey thats the load for them two, I never get that lucky, nice guns

ollogger

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:31 pm

ollogger wrote:Hey thats the load for them two, I never get that lucky, nice guns

ollogger

Yea i was pretty lucky with only one load change and two rifles ,but hey i deserve lucky once in a while.
Thought the roof was on fire this morn, chimney plugged at the top and got some tar smoking.
Luckly i seen it and put it out, gotta redue that tomorrow.

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:02 pm

Gotta love them 35's!

ollogger · Post by **ollogger** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:03 pm

Yea i was pretty lucky with only one load change and two rifles ,but hey i deserve lucky once in a while.
Thought the roof was on fire this morn, chimney plugged at the top and got some tar smoking.
Luckly i seen it and put it out, gotta redue that tomorrow.[/quote]

good thing ya was on top of that one, them can be a bad deal

ollogger

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:25 pm

I was starting to have my doubts about the Remington, but that second target shows excellent groups for both the Remington and the Marlin. Nice work!

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:36 pm

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El Chivo · Post by **El Chivo** » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:15 pm

bulldog1935 wrote:so are you ready to take on the Barrow gang?

or climb a tower?

earlmck · Post by **earlmck** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:44 am

Pitchy wrote:I have some 200 grain cast gas checked bullets coming in the mail and will try them next.

If those castys are the ones designed for the 35 Remington you'll be in good shape. But if they were made for 357 revolver you'll find they have to be seated so deep the base will project well below the case neck and will give you trouble getting accuracy when you load warm enough to hit that 1700 fps level. (I had to give up on my beautiful LBT pistol bullet for use in 35 Remington because of this). Both Lyman and RCBS make molds for 200 grain 35 bullets with a long bore-ride nose that let the bullet be seated right to work in that short-necked case, so we'll hope that's what you have coming, Pitchy.

Hey, that 220 Speer shows real promise. I may have to give those a try myself.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:23 am

That second target looks pretty good. Maybe try tightening up the trigger nut next time

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:51 am

I`m surprised i got that tight of group, the sights are so fuzzy that it took a long time to even center the front bead on the target.
Must be centering the blur pretty good.

Earl this is the bullet i have coming.
http://www.westernbullet.com/rc35gr.html

handirifle · Post by **handirifle** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:57 am

Pitchy
Was looking at your signature lines, good ones. Also noticed we served at the same time. I was US Army 72-75. Mountains of CA then to the hills (mountains) of South western West Germany. Not sure if you were over there or not, but My wife and I used to love to go to K-town to shop. It was a HUGE city to us, since Piermasiens (sp?) was the closest town to us, and it was small.

good shootin with the 35, sorry to hear about the eyes. My brother has a similar issue, but it's a non removable cataract that block his vision dead center. He bow hunts a lot and can't use pin sights cause they disappear. He uses a cross hair sight and kinda of interpolates where they bisect.

God has made we humans with the ability to adapt to a lot of issues.

The last time I took my Big Bore to the range, I was VERY happy with the clarity I could see through the peep, and keep the front post in sharp. Yesterday, I was looking through the peep, and for the life of me could NOT get away from seeing TWO front posts, no matter what I did. Heck I could adapt to that, if I just knew which one to aim with.

Some days ya just don't win. So that is why I went ahead and started work on a scout mount setup for my BB. I wanna use the darn thing!

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:09 pm

Handirifle, nope wasn`t in Germany, crew chief on F4`s at Luke AFB.

Yea its irritating about the eyesight, some guns are better than others. The peep works good for the rear but if it`s a short barrel gun the front sight is blurry. I want to get some peep sights for my 86,76, as the barrels are long and the front sights are pretty clear.
Light conditions make a big difference too, a buddy was over the other day and we shot the 76 Win in 45-60.
The sun was at our backs andd we both couldn`t hit the steel gong at 50 or 100 yards.
Took it out the next day in the morning when the sun was behind the trees yet and hit that gong just about every time.
We were shooting off hand.
Cast bullets didn`t come today, better be here tomorrow as they ship priority mail.

handirifle · Post by **handirifle** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:22 pm

Yea I am FULLY aware of the effect light has on what we see. As much as I would like to open sight hunt, I know that the best deer in the world would step out and I wouldn't see squat, so scopes it is for me.

Good luck with the casties.

Luke huh? Hottern stuff there I bet. Lived in the desert in CA for almost 30 years. Never again. Nice place to visit......

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:48 pm

Hot, yep it was hot.

I see now looking on flash earth those guys have roofs over the planes so they can work in the shade.

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:17 pm

I think you got it down Pitchy!

Looks like whatever your shooting at-----------------------in trouble!

Nice Job!

Post by **Old Savage** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:23 pm

I would use 4895 or 4064 for lower pressures I think.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:46 pm

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Post by **Old Savage** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:07 pm

Pitch, Hodgdon does indeed list 29.0 as the max for 4198 with a 200 but Hornady lists 27.1. The same Hodgdon manual lists 25.0 as max for the 220. Lyman 45 lists 28.0 as max with a 200. Not much agreement. Just concerned here for safety old friend.

roughcreek · Post by **roughcreek** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:14 pm

In the articles on this site there is a good write-up by Paco on accurizing a levergun.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:26 pm

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earlmck · Post by **earlmck** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:43 pm

Pitchy wrote:Earl this is the bullet i have coming.

Oh yeah, that one will work!

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:14 pm

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earlmck · Post by **earlmck** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:23 pm

Just out of curiosity (seeing if friend Pitchy is ready to blow something up) I looked at his loads in "QuickLoad". Had to use QuickLoad because I haven't been using 4198 of either IMR or Hodgdon persuasion in my 35 loading. Anyway, QuickLoad thinks Pitchy's 29 grains/ IMR 4198 with 220 Speer is around the 34,000 psi range and the 28 grains runs 3000 psi less. So here we have one source saying that load should be fine. Those of you who want several confirming sources before loading something -- keep on looking.

Old Savage wrote:I would use 4895 or 4064 for lower pressures I think.

Yes, for maximizing velocity at acceptable pressure 4895 would be a good choice. But if Pitchy is getting best accuracy at around the 1900 to 1950 fps range, 4198 gets him there with less powder. Kinda' hard to argue with success.

If I try the Speer 220 grainers I'll probably have to use LVR. I'm one of those clowns who isn't totally happy unless he's off on the edge, playing with something for which there isn't any published data...

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:40 pm

Thanks friend Earl, i was getting pretty nervous that i might mislead someone with my playing around.
Appreciate your expertise.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:11 am

No cast bullets yet, been five buisness days and they charge for priority mail

Anyone deal with them?
http://www.westernbullet.com/index.html

Post by **Old Savage** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:59 am

Be interesting to chronograph that most accurate load.

JohndeFresno · Post by **JohndeFresno** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:35 am

"Removed" - why??

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:05 am

Let me say this and it goes back way before Pitchy was here so not at all personal to him. The strength of the Marlin 336 in various calibers has always brought up a good deal of discussion as it has been used for a wide variety of cartridges ranging to the 375 Win. The 444 uses markedly higher pressures than the 35 Rem. So should we stick with the levels listed for various cartridges or assume that we can approach the pressures of other cartridges in this action. The 7 Mauser in a bolt might be analogous here. What is the pressure range for a Rem 141 - do not know and haven't heard or read it. This could be delved into more thoroughly but my one finger typing limits after a time. Apologies.

In areas where questions exist discussion always follows when the questions are brought up. Nothing personal I notice with my 99s that you cannot load to common bolt pressures without distorting the cases in the 250 and 300 yet they chambered it for the 308 and 243, what was the difference there? And so on.

Post by **Hobie** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:11 am

It is really diappointing to lose useful information for no apparent reason.