H&R Buffalo Classic question

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:06 pm

I see these come with Lyman front and Williams rear sights but are they tapped for glass as well?

I'd probably never use a scope more than once or twice on it but the option would be nice.

You never know when you'll need to thin out one of those zombie buffalo herds...

Thanks!

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:09 pm

I'm not sure but if you don't get an answer here you might go to ggraybeard's outdoor's forums and ask there. They have a whole section devoted just to Handi Rifles.

Scott Young · Post by **Scott Young** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:10 pm

i have the shorter h&r and it is tapped for glass and it now wears a williams rear sight. i love it.

Scoutmaster · Post by **Scoutmaster** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:12 pm

Yes, the Buffalo Classic is tapped for a scope mount.
Don

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:20 pm

Thanks!

I know it's not some new fangled whiz bang caliber, but do you think it'll take a hog?

Scott Young · Post by **Scott Young** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:48 am

you have to be really close!! those old calibers just don't retain the punch in their old age. that is why they made the barrel so long. if the bullet doesn't put them down you can club it to death.

"just be careful those hogs have armor plated shields that the requires at least a 500 grain bullet to penetrate. anything less the bullets will bounce off. i have a reliable source. a guy i met in the gun store said his brother's friend's cousin who is married to his fourth aunts step daughter works with a guy who's grand father was the son of the man who designed the 45-70, said on his last hunt they shot a hogzilla and all the bullets they shot into the shields either bounced off or only penetrated a 1/4 inch from a range of about 50 yds."

"one last note. don't shoot the factory ammo. it is intended to be shot out of older 45-70s which have looser bores. the newer rifles require the +p ammo so the bullets won't get stuck in the barrel. i hand load mine so i don't ever have a problem i use 70 grains of the hottest smokeless i can find. here look at my shoulder......"

(note: these last two paragraphs are actual conversations at the new granger mtn where i live. i couldn't believe my ears that these people are serious.)

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:24 am

Scott, it sounds like they were seriously challenged.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:22 am

Scott Young wrote:you have to be really close!! those old calibers just don't retain the punch in their old age. that is why they made the barrel so long. if the bullet doesn't put them down you can club it to death.

Scott Young wrote:"just be careful those hogs have armor plated shields that the requires at least a 500 grain bullet to penetrate. anything less the bullets will bounce off. i have a reliable source. a guy i met in the gun store said his brother's friend's cousin who is married to his fourth aunts step daughter works with a guy who's grand father was the son of the man who designed the 45-70, said on his last hunt they shot a hogzilla and all the bullets they shot into the shields either bounced off or only penetrated a 1/4 inch from a range of about 50 yds."

"one last note. don't shoot the factory ammo. it is intended to be shot out of older 45-70s which have looser bores. the newer rifles require the +p ammo so the bullets won't get stuck in the barrel. i hand load mine so i don't ever have a problem i use 70 grains of the hottest smokeless i can find. here look at my shoulder......"

(note: these last two paragraphs are actual conversations at the new granger mtn where i live. i couldn't believe my ears that these people are serious.)

I believe it just based on some of the "educational lectures" I hear at shows and shops around here...

marlinman93 · Post by **marlinman93** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:23 pm

The Buffalo Classic is set up to take a scope mount by removing the rear sight. Be prepared to dink with iron sights anyway, as for some reason H&R put a too tall front sight on them, and when you run out of elevation adjustment on that Williams, you'll still be 6" low at 100 yds!

Bis · Post by **Bis** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:31 pm

The BC classic is set up for a scope , at least my target model is, but you need to get mounting rail from H&R. They are not to expensive.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:46 pm

marlinman93 wrote:The Buffalo Classic is set up to take a scope mount by removing the rear sight. Be prepared to dink with iron sights anyway, as for some reason H&R put a too tall front sight on them, and when you run out of elevation adjustment on that Williams, you'll still be 6" low at 100 yds!

The one I'm looking at comes with a Lyman front and 8 inserts IIRC. Are you saying the globe is too high ot the inserts are wrong?

handirifle · Post by **handirifle** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:33 pm

awp
He's half right. SOME have come with too tall of front sight, not all. Mine came with the correct setup as do many others. Once in a while one slips through with the wrong one on. All you need to do is contact H&R if that becomes the case.

Besides, IIRC one of those inserts is a post. All you need to do is shorten that post a hair if you want to shoot as is. Like I said, about 75% of the time they are correct, but if not H&R will send the correct one.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:16 pm

handirifle wrote:Besides, IIRC one of those inserts is a post. All you need to do is shorten that post a hair if you want to shoot as is.

That's what I was thinking.

On the too tall front sight, is the globe too tall (which is why I'd have to call H&R) or the insert?

Just planning ahead. If there's a 1% chance of getting an "off" one...well, let's just say Mr Murphy stays with me so much I'm thinking of charging the daft bugger rent.

marlinman93 · Post by **marlinman93** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:34 pm

Shortening the post is a poor fix. It makes the post too low inside the globe, which messes up your sight picture without the post being centered.
Yes, the globe is too high of a base.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:37 pm

Aha! Thanks!

handirifle · Post by **handirifle** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:12 pm

marlinman93 wrote:Shortening the post is a poor fix.

It was never suggested to be a permanate fix, just something to get him shooting. It's not a "poor" fix, just a temporary one, till he got the new sight. The "globe" is part of the whole front sight.