POLITICS - Guns on Campus - SUE EVERYBODY!

[Old Ironsights]

Guns On Campus: Northern Illinois U: Rule #1: Sue Everybody
By John Longenecker (02/26/08)

And for every school and workplace shooting after that.
You know the facts. Now answer the question: What are the tort liabilities?

It's time to forget about writing more gun bans, time to quit profiling (it's a stalling tactic for political reasons) and time to litigate. The first order of business for any damaged plaintiff is to sue everybody. This would be all colleges who ban weapons, including those who have seen their students murdered and those who have yet to see students killed thanks to the gun bans which are now ringing the dinner bell for campus shooters in increasing numbers.

This would include suing for administration interference with self-defense by way of policy in cases of both gun and non-gun killings such as knifings, beatings and missing persons.

It could be found that a college has no duty to protect its student body - but does a college have an obligation NOT to INTERFERE with adults who take their own reasonable and legal measures in self-defense? Interference would then be an issue as unreasonable and with damages. What if students carried their handguns, were then disciplined, and sued the college? With all the activity about concealed carry on campus, you can't say campuses weren't on notice that they could be interfering.

At this time, FOX News and only a few others are examining concealed carry on campus. They are going in the wrong direction when they consider arming the Teachers. It's more centralization of power than really solving the problem, and, in fact is another stalling tactic that won't work. Too much independence, I guess, ruining their picnic.

First, any shooter can too easily identify the armed professors by their ‘Tell' or the way they carry unless they are experienced gun owners. If the Profs are carrying for the first time, they will probably have a Tell. Either way, if the shooter identifies them at all, the idea fails. Shooters can easily approach from another corner of campus or wait for the Profs to put their weapon away or leave campus. They can simply kill fast and then commit suicide. It is the equivalent of uniformed officers: All the shooter need do is identify them and avoid them. Undercover cops won't change much, since they don't attend classes. This is at the heart of the Liberty Movement complaint: compelled over-reliance on assets to the exclusion of the citizen, in this case, adult students.

The more effective deterrent is in not knowing who is armed and in what numbers, and in supporting this policy nationwide. In short, ARMED STUDENTS AND VISITORS.

In objecting to armed students, the idea that students are themselves eventual killers or somehow stupid, hot-headed and hasty is not only insulting, but it betrays a neurotic notion in the minds of administrators against all liberty in America and betrays how they view the people they serve.

But when parents, adult college students and visitors are armed when on campus, a shooter has a much, much tougher time identifying who is armed and possibly right next to him. Trustees need to understand that they have no authority to allow or disallow guns. And injured parties must sue for their rights.

The genius of concealed carry is that you just don't know who is armed and who isn't, and that alone changes the entire complexion of the problem. Changing faces of who is armed and in large numbers will serve the purpose it was intended to serve - someone close by who will stop the shooter by holding them for police or in using lethal force - if necessary - which is backed by their citizen authority - a concept administrations hope you won't discover. Armed students would also be in larger numbers than officers and likely much closer when needed. Response time hasn't been impressive; they've all been too late. Way too late. Armed students in larger numbers helps, especially if it’s generally known.

In the news reports of the NIU shooting, officials said they took steps to protect the rest of the students. Oh? How? The shooter was dead, and police hadn't gone 10-97 yet. This reflects a very poor understanding of the problem and its solution - shooters who move fast and citizen authority frustrated and vexed. Brilliant. Interference.

Administrations have ignored and vexed CITIZEN AUTHORITY and its role. Gun Ban policy forgets that adults in America have all legal authority to stop a crime in progress, including their own murder or a crime against another. This is something a gun ban policy cannot override and may not discourage under threat of punishment, counseling or expulsion. This is where litigation comes in for provable interference and demonstrable damages.

The best way to handle the campus, workplace, airport, public buildings or anywhere threat is not to profile shooters nor to arm the faculty, but to lift all gun bans from students, employees, parents and visitors. Citizen authority trumps stubborn tortious interference by trustees. They don't want you to know your own authority. So much for Education.

With the Virginia Tech attitude that they await a mandate before allowing guns on campus in an already right-to-carry statewide law, perhaps they are ignorant of the law. Perhaps it's time to compel them to learn the law and to recognize citizen authority as a matter of education as much as personal safety.

All gun control obfuscates citizen authority to act. In the absence of first responders, it is an interference.

It's time to litigate this. I say go for it.

[Jeeps]

Geez OI, this is the first time I ever wished I was a lawer

[Ysabel Kid]

Using their own tool against them - I love it!

[HEAD0001]

I do not think these kid's or nut's that are doing these killing's would have a chance against a trained, concealed carry defender on campus. Obviously these killer's have no real experience with a firearm. I hate to think of it, but if I was turned loose on a campus with a few firearms and wanted to just run up a number's count on bodies??? I could probably shoot hundred's before the police got there, and then I could probably outshoot 99% of the Police!!! They should hire me for concealed campus security!!!

No they better not hire me. I would probably end up shooting most of the fanatical professor's on most of today's campuses. Heck it is no wonder these kid's go off the deep end. Tom.

[Blackhawk]

OI,

I agree. I wrote legislatures yesterday and voiced my concern of not being able to carry on campus. My wife who attends UALR where a shooting happened this week goes to take her test March 15. And I don't care if its breaking the rules or not I will strongly urge (hint) to carry. We go this weekend to look at getting her a small pistol. If something were to happen to her I would hold the school accountable to fullest measure.

Johnny

[Leverdude]

I'm kinda surprised the ambulance chasers havent picked up on it.
Surely if something as abstract as sueing gun makers for how criminals use their product is a viable court case this should be.

I'v often wondered why the lawyers let these things slide.

[Old Ironsights]

I'm kinda surprised the ambulance chasers havent picked up on it. ...

Because, by in large, the ABA is more Anti Gun than Pro Money...

[Leverdude]

I'm kinda surprised the ambulance chasers havent picked up on it. ...

Because, by in large, the ABA is more Anti Gun than Pro Money...

So it can be construed that the law isn't their top priority?
Starting to seem like nobody is into anything for the genuine good of society anymore. Its either money or some other agenda.

[Jeeps]

I've often wondered why the lawyers let these things slide.

Prolly cuz they are future politicians.