OT but it is a gun ?

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:19 pm

I have been thinking long and hard about getting a 30-06. Looking at the manufacture listed speeds and some loading manuales they all say they use a 24" test bbl. What am I lossing in fps if listed is 2750fps in the test bbl and the gun I am looking at has a 22" bbl?

Andrew · Post by **Andrew** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:37 pm

I have no real knowledge of such things, but after reading a bit on the subject here and there I have come to the conclusion it don't much matter. I don't know it that helps or not.

wm · Post by wm » Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:40 pm

Not enough for any game animal or paper target will notice!

Seriously I seem to recal the rule of thumb was about 100fps per inch of barrel but every gun is a rule on to itself.......I had a buddy that got higher velocities out of his 18" light weight barreled 308 carbine then he did out of his 24" 308 heavy target barreled rifle.

Go figure!

Wm

LeverBob · Post by **LeverBob** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:47 pm

Hey Pard,

You'll lose approx. 25 fps per inch.

For example:

My old Winny mdl. 70 will give me 3100fps. with my loading and a 150 gr. BT bullet.
My old 03-A3 & 20" milspec barrel gives me just a hair over 3000 fps with the same load. I've seen this in other 06's I've owned & friends rifles too.

In the field I don't think it makes any difference at all. IMHO. A 22" is about ideal.

LeverBob

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:02 pm

Cool thanks for the replies guys. Mainly I want this for long range target shooting (like out to 1,000yds) and some hunting and I was trying to get some ideas of what the down range bastics would be like.

Thanks again

Andrew · Post by **Andrew** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:18 pm

JReed wrote:Cool thanks for the replies guys. Mainly I want this for long range target shooting (like out to 1,000yds) and some hunting and I was trying to get some ideas of what the down range bastics would be like.

Thanks again

C'mon JReed, everybody knows "long range" means you measure it in miles not yards. For instance, when I go to the range I blast the .0284 mile target. That's how it's done!!

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:27 pm

Can't say enough about the old '06. Up until this year every deer I've taken has been with one 30-06 or another. loaded down to 125 gr Sierra's up to 220 gr. bear killers.

I've probably put more '06s down range than anything else this side of .22s.

My all time favorite '06 and the first Win. I ever bought.

Ram Hammer · Post by **Ram Hammer** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:03 pm

I'll throw in my two bits.

I have two 30.06 bolts. A Rem 700 ADL and a Browning A Bolt. Same barrel length for each. Guess what? 100 fps difference with the same load. The Browning A Bolt shoots faster velocity. Don't know why. Possibly because the A-Bolt has a shorter lead.

By the way. I prefer the Remington. It has killed more deer than the A Bolt. I guess my point is barrel length isn't the only factor to affect velocity.

dr walker · Post by **dr walker** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:32 pm

I don't know what you'll lose, but my standard .30-06 load is a 180 gr bullet going 2625-2650 fps. That is out of a 22 inch barrel. I have never chrono'd factory loads.

Marlin .35 · Post by **Marlin .35** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:34 pm

I have had a passel of 30-06's, and the velocity depends on the individual gun. Normally, as has been mentioned, between 22 and 24 is about 25fps. I would rather havve the shorter barrel if I was going to use the rifle to hunt with. The game will never know the different barrel lengths. By the way, what guns are you looking at???? Thanks! Art

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:29 am

C'mon JReed, everybody knows "long range" means you measure it in miles not yards. For instance, when I go to the range I blast the .0284 mile target. That's how it's done!!

49.984 yard

Holy smokes now thats shooting

Ok so I want would like to shoot out to 0.568 181 818 miles

. This would for the most part be for exploding milk jugs @ crazzy distances. For hunting I have other guns that I love to drag around.

So the general thought is it doesnt matter until I acctualy have the gun on hand and get to playing with it. Makes sence now I just have to decide on wich gun I want. Been leaning toward the Savage but who knows I will probably change my mind a dozen times before I lay down the cash.
Thanks guys

nemhed · Post by **nemhed** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:14 pm

JReed,top of the mornin to you. I know these discussions turn into a Chevy vs Ford type thing, but I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Accutrigger Savage if I was shopping for a bolt gun (I'm currently shopping for a Blackhawk in 357). A month ago I was contemplating a Savage in 308, but I came across a deal on a couple of big bore Marlins and have now cooled to the idea of buying another bolt gun.

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:23 pm

Morning

A buddy of mine has a pre-Acutriger in 30-06 and it is a tack driver. The Savage just has the bang for the buck I am looking for. But who knows I may really look at a Handy.

Thunder50 · Post by **Thunder50** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:18 pm

For the bit of difference in money, I would go with the Savage, especially if you are wanting one of the Ultra hunters they are coming out with. Handies have a few problems now and then. My transfer bar came apart at the range one day. Was a pain to bring home to the shop to fix it.

Andrew · Post by **Andrew** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:39 pm

JReed wrote:
C'mon JReed, everybody knows "long range" means you measure it in miles not yards. For instance, when I go to the range I blast the .0284 mile target. That's how it's done!!
49.984 yard Holy smokes now thats shooting

Ok so I want would like to shoot out to 0.568 181 818 miles .

Now you've got it!

Keep us updated it you do get something, I love to hear about new stuff.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:56 pm

Jeremy, if you're going to get a .30-06 why not get the best. An M-1 Garand would make some of those old gunnies on the post wet themselves. Nothing shoots as sweet as a good M-1, and that PING after the eighth round is music to any old gun hack's ears.

Rusty <><

Jeff Quinn · Post by **Jeff Quinn** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:31 pm

JReed,
Get the shorter barrel, and just get 2 inches closer to the game!

Makes sense, if you don't think about it too much.

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:31 pm

2ndovc
That a sweet looking shooter you have there

Rusty
Way out of my price range

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Jeff
I know exactly what you mean. That is exactly why I have a .45 colt Trapper

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Thanks for all the input guys the more I look it it the more I really like the Savage 110.

tman · Post by **tman** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:26 pm

2ndovc, that's a cool 95! looking for a repro src myself, at a reasonable price. cut the barrel to 19" to make the ultimate lever, [in my mind ,anyway] agreed, there aint much that the 06 cant do. 55gr acclerators to 220 gr. elephant killers. it's my new obsesssion

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:04 pm

I gotta agree with Rusty. The M-1 Garand has no peer when it comes to having a long range "cool" factor. With the NM Â¼ minute adjustable rear sight, you can really dial one in. I have a 1943 production from Springfield Amory then was rebuilt in 1951 into a National Match. $169 from the DCM around 1978, and the old girl has a LOT of rounds left in her! With 173gr boattails, anything under 500 yards seems like cheatin'!! I think they are definitely worth what they bring. Just to be clear, I'll keep turnin' down the offers I've gotten.

Scott Young · Post by **Scott Young** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:34 pm

my first centerfire was a 30-06 remington 700 bdl. i have owned several over the years. i currently own a savage 30-06. it is a pre accutrigger. it is extremely accurate.

pharmseller · Post by **pharmseller** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:18 pm

I absolutely LOVE the '06. Mild recoil, hard hitting, many loads, and you can find ammo anywhere. It'll kill anything that walks, runs, or flies.

Quinn