My Marlin 30-30 problems.

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My Marlin 30-30 problems.

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I recently purchased a Marlin 336a 30-30, made I believe in about 1948 or so. Very nice condition indeed, no wear or rust whatsoever, a few little handling marks, an easy 95% gun. Bright shiney bore. Thought I had the hot setup for silhouette, but now I am beginning to wonder. :cry:

I have run about 300 rounds through it so far messing around with cast bullets. I first had some .310 LaserCast 165 grain, non gas-checked, that would not hit a 10" square target at 50 meters consistantly. I tried several combinations of powder and got more or less the same results. I have always had excellent results with the LaserCast bullets and this was a big disappointment.

Got hold of some .309 170 grain gas checks that shoot very well indeed in some other rifles owned by acquaintances. They are a little better but I experienced severe leading over about 1500 FPS, same as the LaserCast. Only could shoot about 15 shots and then might as well throw stones. They do pretty decent around 1300 fps but after 40 rounds there is still some leading.

Finally slugged the bore. Guess what, .310 diameter bore!! :shock:

So now I figure the bullets are stripping, which is causing the poor accuracy and leading. I have some 115 grain cast bullets .312 diameter for 32-20, I intend to try a few of those. Makes me wonder what the rifle would do with .308 diameter jacketed bullets, probably strip those as well??

My friend back in Wyoming has an identical rifle and we messed with it all summer and couldnt get it to shoot cast, probably for the same reason. The guy who casts the gas checked bullets told me he had a Marlin model 30 (?) the predessesor to the 336a, he slugged that barrel and got .311. Go figure.

Guess I have learned my lesson to always slug a bore before messing with cast.
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Post by J Miller »

My bet is that jacketed bullets will shoot just fine in it. I'd also bet that gun will shoot a bit slower with jacketed than one with a .308" grove diameter. There is likely to be quite a bit of blow by.

Now as for your bullets, just check out some for the .303 Brit. That would be just about right.

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Post by 1886 »

I agree with J Miller. I bet the jacketed stuff will probably shoot just fine in your .310" bore. You may need to work near the upper end of the pressure spectrum for the .30-30 and use .30-30 specific bullets in order to achieve proper obturation. You may see a little extra copper wash due to the larger bore. .311" gas checked hard cast and .310" "soft cast" will probably shoot well. Good Luck. 1886.
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Jerry,
I have a 1946 36A that I use for big bore and I couldn't group better than 12" at 200m, with Laser Casts. I switched to Speer 170 JFP's and 30gr of 748 and it's a whole different rifle.
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Post by w30wcf »

jnyork,
I have a 336SC also made '49 and it has a .310" groove diameter also.
Here's more info:
http://www.castbulletassoc.org/forum/vi ... orum_id=18

Not to worry. .311 diameter cast bullets shoot just fine as do .308" dia. jacketed bullets.

With your 115 gr. .312" diameter bullets, I would suggest 5.5 /231 or 6.0/Unique or 4756 or 6.5/ Trail boss. These loads all shot well in my rifle.

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Post by jdad »

The only problem with a 115gr pill is it will probably just "splat" on the rams.
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Post by Don McDowell »

My old Lyman 311291 drops bullets at .312 cast from #2 alloy, might be a new one will do the same for you.
Or check with the folks at Montana bullet works to see if they have something that'll come in the diameter and weight you want.
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w30wcf wrote:jnyork,
I have a 336SC also made '49 and it has a .310" groove diameter also.
Here's more info:
http://www.castbulletassoc.org/forum/vi ... orum_id=18

Not to worry. .311 diameter cast bullets shoot just fine as do .308" dia. jacketed bullets.

With your 115 gr. .312" diameter bullets, I would suggest 5.5 /231 or 6.0/Unique or 4756 or 6.5/ Trail boss. These loads all shot well in my rifle.

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Montana Bullet Works has some 303 British stuff that would probably make a steel ram go ker-plunk.

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Post by Charles »

It is not unusal to fun across older Marlin's with funky barrel specs. I have a 1960 336 Texas with a Microgroove barrel that runs. .310 in the grooves and .306 accross the lands. The extra large bore made it very hard to find a cast bullet with a nose large enough to fit.

I had Mountain Molds cut a mold with a tapered nose .304 - .307 and a body of .311.

The rifle shoots like a house-a-fire with these bullets.
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Post by k8bor »

FWIW - I know they must be a fine bullet company, but I've never had a bit of luck with lazercast bullets, in my ruger SA's, or my Marlin OR Winchester levers. They just don't like my guns.
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I had a 1952 336RC that did the same thing. Shot factory 150's into a tight little wad @ 50 yd but all over the paper with loads that shot fine in the Win '94 I had at the time. I figure if a rifle won't shoot a SAECO 315 over 18.0 gr IMR 4198 or SR 4759, it ain't gonna shoot!

Took the Marlin back where I'd bought it, explained WHY I didn't want to keep it, (including the 7 holes some previous owner tried to D&T for a scope base), got all my $$ I'd paid, plus the $$ I'd put into a new correct buttplate and front sight toward a really nice old FN Supreme .270. (the lever throw on it's only about 30°) :D
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deerwhacker444 wrote:Montana Bullet Works has some 303 British stuff that would probably make a steel ram go ker-plunk.

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I am new to .30-30's . I have a Marlin and a Winny .

Shot both of them once , a week or so ago .

I experimented with this same bullet . I had cast some a few years ago , from a mold I borrowed from a friend . I had intended it for .30-06 but that either did not work out or I did not put enought time or effert into it .

This bullet seemed to shoot fairly well in the Marlin . Loaded it with either 4350 or 4320 . Both powders had been given to me by my late father-in-law .

Did not shoot it as much in the Winny as I did in the Marlin ..

I have some of these bullets left and plan to load some more .

I am also considering using some surplus WC820 .

http://www.castbullet.com/reload/wc820.htm

( This is a good web site for lever gun shooters , as a lot of us shoot cast bullets . )

If the bullets continue to do OK , I am considering the purchase of this mold .

The Marlin also seemed to shoot well with the cheap Federal 170 grain WalleyWorld .30-30 ammo . But I did not get the iron sights adjusted before I ran out of daylight at the range .

The Winny has a scope on it , the Marlin does not . Trying to decide if I am going to scope the Marlin ? Maybe take the scope off the Winny and put it on the Marlin .

Thinking about getting back into the cast bullet steel silhouette matches ? I expect the 180 grain cast bullet will nock down the 200 meter rams ?

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