OT Concealed Carry incident

[RustyJr]

Thought ya'll might be interested in a report by the local sheriffs office. Still unsure as to whether he will be prosecuted.

http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/About-HCSO/ ... 0-341.aspx


RustyJr

[Tycer]

His mistake was not saying, "I was in fear of losing my life".

You gotta be real specific here folks. There is a narrow selection of phrases you can say. What you say in the first 20 minutes after a self-defense shoot will determine where you spend the next 20 years.

From that report, his future is in doubt.

[AJMD429]

The thing is, the 'general public' who hasn't ever been seriously beaten with a two-foot aluminum level, or some other 'non-threatening' weapon, or who hasn't had a family member lose an eye after being kicked in the face, tends to think your life isn't being "threatened" unless it's like in the movies, with some black-hat-bad-guy standing at the far end of the street, ready to draw his gun.

I still remember all the morons who said "they only had screwdrivers", back when that guy in New York shot the "kids" on the subway who were robbing people... Let THEM take a 12" screwdriver through their liver or kidney, then tell us all "it was just a screwdriver".

[Bruce]

JFYI, Sheriff Gee is a levergunner. Good guy also.

[Blaine]

He looks like he's ok.....I'll be surprised if charges are filed.

[piller]

Two on one seems unfair, and not knowing the size of the 3 people involved, I can't comment any further about that. The fact that he stayed with the one he shot does seem like he was not a bad person.

[kragluver]

If you are ever involved in a self defense shooting, you say "I was in fear for my life and I had to stop him. Now can I have a lawyer". After that, shut up.

[FWiedner]

I believe that it is well known that only "law enforcers" can kill thier attackers just for attacking.

Civilians have to be injured and bleeding.

[AJMD429]

I believe that it is well known that only "law enforcers" can kill thier attackers just for attacking.
Civilians have to be injured and bleeding.

That's because they are so much more important than we civilians. We're just the bystanding 'rabble' that gives rise to occasional 'perps'...

[TedH]

If you are ever involved in a self defense shooting, you say "I was in fear for my life and I had to stop him. Now can I have a lawyer". After that, shut up.

+1!!!

[jkbrea]

I believe that it is well known that only "law enforcers" can kill thier attackers just for attacking.

Civilians have to be injured and bleeding.

That's a load of cr*p. I've seen numerous occassions and been to a few where civilians have killed, shot at or attacked a suspect and no charges ever filed. Some were upstanding citizens, some not so upstanding, and at least one full on gang member parolee. I've read about several in American Rifleman every month.

Two months ago I saw where a supposed drug dealer, out of dope, had two guys try to rob him at his home. He shot and killed both. Outcome was justifiable homicide. His gun was registered and will be returned. He never went to jail. If he had been arrested, several people would say it was wrong. He wasn't, so now several say a murder is being covered up. Can't win. For what it's worth, LEO don't decide who gets prosecuted. They just submit an investigation report and the DA office decides.

Don't mean to come across as arrogant, but the cop bashing here gets old. I understand some of you may have been wronged by a cop before, but as a cop, I've been "wronged" thousands of times by citizens, good and bad, but I sure don't lump them all in one catagory.
Not all of us are gun grabbing, jack booted, goverment zombies. Heck, I hear even a couple are NRA members.

[Griff]

I believe that it is well known that only "law enforcers" can kill thier attackers just for attacking.
Civilians have to be injured and bleeding.

That's a load of cr*p. I've seen numerous occassions and been to a few where civilians have killed, shot at or attacked a suspect and no charges ever filed. Some were upstanding citizens, some not so upstanding, and at least one full on gang member parolee. I've read about several in American Rifleman every month.
Two months ago I saw where a supposed drug dealer, out of dope, had two guys try to rob him at his home. He shot and killed both. Outcome was justifiable homicide. His gun was registered and will be returned. He never went to jail. If he had been arrested, several people would say it was wrong. He wasn't, so now several say a murder is being covered up. Can't win. For what it's worth, LEO don't decide who gets prosecuted. They just submit an investigation report and the DA office decides.
Don't mean to come across as arrogant, but the cop bashing here gets old. I understand some of you may have been wronged by a cop before, but as a cop, I've been "wronged" thousands of times by citizens, good and bad, but I sure don't lump them all in one catagory.
Not all of us are gun grabbing, jack booted, goverment zombies. Heck, I hear even a couple are NRA members.

+1

[FWiedner]

I believe that it is well known that only "law enforcers" can kill thier attackers just for attacking.

Civilians have to be injured and bleeding.

That's a load of cr*p. I've seen numerous occassions and been to a few where civilians have killed, shot at or attacked a suspect and no charges ever filed. Some were upstanding citizens, some not so upstanding, and at least one full on gang member parolee. I've read about several in American Rifleman every month.

Two months ago I saw where a supposed drug dealer, out of dope, had two guys try to rob him at his home. He shot and killed both. Outcome was justifiable homicide. His gun was registered and will be returned. He never went to jail. If he had been arrested, several people would say it was wrong. He wasn't, so now several say a murder is being covered up. Can't win. For what it's worth, LEO don't decide who gets prosecuted. They just submit an investigation report and the DA office decides.

Don't mean to come across as arrogant, but the cop bashing here gets old. I understand some of you may have been wronged by a cop before, but as a cop, I've been "wronged" thousands of times by citizens, good and bad, but I sure don't lump them all in one catagory.
Not all of us are gun grabbing, jack booted, goverment zombies. Heck, I hear even a couple are NRA members.

Aww heck... Don't get defensive.

I live in Texas and I can ( if I try hard ) think of a few cases where a civilian defended himself and the grand jury no-billed him.

I guess that I too often let my mile-wide anti-authority streak peek-out from 'neath my bunched undies.

No offense was intended to our several fine, honest, and stand-up PEACE OFFICERS who are members here, and I openly apologize if any was taken. The other JBTs can stuff it deep and hard.

Please note that my avatar is a thick-sliced and grilled BALONEY sandwich.

[Ysabel Kid]

Florida, IIRC, is a "stand your ground" state (the first one, too, IIRC). Still, always good to state "I was in fear for my life" as the first words out of your mouth.

[claybob86]

[quote="jkbrea
I've seen numerous occassions and been to a few where civilians have killed...[/quote]

No offense intended, but it might be a good PR move if you guys dropped the "civilian" terminology. If you're not military, you're civilian. Cops included.

[jkbrea]

FWiedner, I guess I had a bad day. No offense taken.

[jkbrea]

[quote="jkbrea
I've seen numerous occassions and been to a few where civilians have killed...

No offense intended, but it might be a good PR move if you guys dropped the "civilian" terminology. If you're not military, you're civilian. Cops included.[/quote]


ci·vil·ian noun \sə-ˈvil-yən also -ˈvi-yən\
Definition of CIVILIAN
1: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
2a : one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force b : outsider 1

Not to be a a pain in the a## but I was in the military and the citizens were referred to as civilians. When I went to an academy they were referred to as civilians, RP's, (reporting party), or citizens.
But you're right. Mostly we refer to people as citizens. When describing non-police or fire we occasionally use "civilian personnel". Personally I can't wait to finish up, retire, and become a citizen or "retiree. Then call me whatever you like.