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Range report
I had a chance to get to the range on Saturday, which is about 20 minutes away.
There are two target boards at 50 yards, then one each at 75, 100, and 150.
There is also a five stand course, sporting clays, and a 25 yard rimfire / pistol range as well.
I brought 3 guns, my Model 94 in 30-30, Ruger #1 in 45-70, and my Old Model Blackhawk in 357.
First, I wanted to check the zeros of the two rifles, which I did at 50 yards, resting the rifles on sandbags.
The 30-30 required a rear sight adjustment. The first group is the lower one, the second group had a flyer.
The 45-70 looked good, even if a little to the left. Point of aim on both targets was 6 O'Clock on the black bull.
The other holes on the 45-70 target were from the Blackhawk, 38 +p shot over the sand bags at 50 yards also. There are 4 holes, the 5th shot went I don't know where. The other two lower holes were from a different trip.
I had the elevator on the 30-30 maxed out, so I decided to get to my planned exercise.
My plan was to fire one shot at an 8.5 x 11 piece of paper, with no aiming point, at 50,75,100, and 150 yards. I would start off hand at 50, go to a kneeling position for the 75 yard shot, sitting for 100, and prone for 150.
I would try and take as little time as possible for each shot, without just throwing lead down range.
I ended up taking two shots from each rifle at each target, then my time ran out.
here are the targets-
50 yards
75 yards
100 yards
150 yards
45-70
I was holding at the bottom of the paper on the first 3 targets. The one miss at 100 was slightly below the target, and about 1 inch off to the right.
I never got a hit at 150. They were both misses below the paper, one about 6 inches, one about 10. You may be able to see the arrows pointing down on the bottom edge of the target, showing the location of the strikes, from a windage standpoint. With the right hold over, they would have been on paper.
30-30
I was holding more towards the center of the targets, since there wasn't much height above my point of aim.
The miss at 75 was to the right. I need to work on my natural point of aim, in these positions, with these rifles. I did get one hit, on the edge, at 150. Could not tell where the miss was. maybe next time I should put up some larger sheets of paper behind the targets.
I learned a lot, and plan to continue practicing this way for a while. Prone was difficult, as I ended up facing downhill a bit. I had to put my left hand right under the actions of both rifles to get on the target. I found out the week before that the sling on the #1 was no use. I could not put my arm through it, and get into a correct shooting position. I suppose that the swivel positions are too close together. I never had a problem using a sling on the milsurps I used to own.
Also, the white bead on the Ruger pretty much disappeared at the longer ranges, against the target. I need a more visible front sight on that. I need a lower front sight on the 30-30, as the rear sight is maxed out for elevation. Several weeks ago, I couldn't even get close to a zero with some Cowboy loads in that rifle. Not enough elevation on the rear sight.
I think I prefer a good open sight over a peep at this point, which is much different than my earlier preferences. A better front sight on the Ruger will give me a better comparison though.
I feel it was a productive trip, and hope to keep it up.
take care,
Tom
There are two target boards at 50 yards, then one each at 75, 100, and 150.
There is also a five stand course, sporting clays, and a 25 yard rimfire / pistol range as well.
I brought 3 guns, my Model 94 in 30-30, Ruger #1 in 45-70, and my Old Model Blackhawk in 357.
First, I wanted to check the zeros of the two rifles, which I did at 50 yards, resting the rifles on sandbags.
The 30-30 required a rear sight adjustment. The first group is the lower one, the second group had a flyer.
The 45-70 looked good, even if a little to the left. Point of aim on both targets was 6 O'Clock on the black bull.
The other holes on the 45-70 target were from the Blackhawk, 38 +p shot over the sand bags at 50 yards also. There are 4 holes, the 5th shot went I don't know where. The other two lower holes were from a different trip.
I had the elevator on the 30-30 maxed out, so I decided to get to my planned exercise.
My plan was to fire one shot at an 8.5 x 11 piece of paper, with no aiming point, at 50,75,100, and 150 yards. I would start off hand at 50, go to a kneeling position for the 75 yard shot, sitting for 100, and prone for 150.
I would try and take as little time as possible for each shot, without just throwing lead down range.
I ended up taking two shots from each rifle at each target, then my time ran out.
here are the targets-
50 yards
75 yards
100 yards
150 yards
45-70
I was holding at the bottom of the paper on the first 3 targets. The one miss at 100 was slightly below the target, and about 1 inch off to the right.
I never got a hit at 150. They were both misses below the paper, one about 6 inches, one about 10. You may be able to see the arrows pointing down on the bottom edge of the target, showing the location of the strikes, from a windage standpoint. With the right hold over, they would have been on paper.
30-30
I was holding more towards the center of the targets, since there wasn't much height above my point of aim.
The miss at 75 was to the right. I need to work on my natural point of aim, in these positions, with these rifles. I did get one hit, on the edge, at 150. Could not tell where the miss was. maybe next time I should put up some larger sheets of paper behind the targets.
I learned a lot, and plan to continue practicing this way for a while. Prone was difficult, as I ended up facing downhill a bit. I had to put my left hand right under the actions of both rifles to get on the target. I found out the week before that the sling on the #1 was no use. I could not put my arm through it, and get into a correct shooting position. I suppose that the swivel positions are too close together. I never had a problem using a sling on the milsurps I used to own.
Also, the white bead on the Ruger pretty much disappeared at the longer ranges, against the target. I need a more visible front sight on that. I need a lower front sight on the 30-30, as the rear sight is maxed out for elevation. Several weeks ago, I couldn't even get close to a zero with some Cowboy loads in that rifle. Not enough elevation on the rear sight.
I think I prefer a good open sight over a peep at this point, which is much different than my earlier preferences. A better front sight on the Ruger will give me a better comparison though.
I feel it was a productive trip, and hope to keep it up.
take care,
Tom
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Thanks guys,
It was almost 30, no wind! pretty balmy for around here.
yes, the rifle was done at Turnbull's.
As an employee, we can get personal stuff done after hours. I did engraving work for several of the other guys, so they hooked me up on this rifle. The forend is factory, and the butt stock is a factory second from numrich.
No time to engrave it, other than the gold wire inlay. You know, the shoemakers kids...
take care,
Tom
It was almost 30, no wind! pretty balmy for around here.
yes, the rifle was done at Turnbull's.
As an employee, we can get personal stuff done after hours. I did engraving work for several of the other guys, so they hooked me up on this rifle. The forend is factory, and the butt stock is a factory second from numrich.
No time to engrave it, other than the gold wire inlay. You know, the shoemakers kids...
take care,
Tom
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Beautiful 94 and a great post!
After I butchered my last deer I took a tape measure to the ribcage. I found that the kill zone was pretty close to 8.5" x 11", but the 11" measurement was horizontal. You might want to try pasting your targets that way. Also, try a brown piece of paper as well. Your sights will look much different when you shoot against a deer-colored target.
Let us know how it turns out.
Quinn
After I butchered my last deer I took a tape measure to the ribcage. I found that the kill zone was pretty close to 8.5" x 11", but the 11" measurement was horizontal. You might want to try pasting your targets that way. Also, try a brown piece of paper as well. Your sights will look much different when you shoot against a deer-colored target.
Let us know how it turns out.
Quinn
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I grew up in western NY, and used to visit the Creekside Gun Shop in Holcomb (I think) up near Canandaigua quite often. This would be in the late 1960s to early 1970s. My dad did a lot of business there, usually with a guy named Paul Martin as I remember. Is the gun shop still there?
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Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you somethin'. That ain't an optical illusion, it only LOOKS LIKE an optical illusion.
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Creekside closed down 3 or 4 years ago, maybe a bit more.
Doug Turnbull's dad owned it, and Doug started his own business there. Doug has his own facility now, and that is where i work. I moved up here with my family in Jan. 05, after living in NC for 11 years. Started out in NJ. Good place to be from!
We love Western NY, would love it much more if it could cut the ties to Albany and NYC!!
take care,
Tom
Doug Turnbull's dad owned it, and Doug started his own business there. Doug has his own facility now, and that is where i work. I moved up here with my family in Jan. 05, after living in NC for 11 years. Started out in NJ. Good place to be from!
We love Western NY, would love it much more if it could cut the ties to Albany and NYC!!
take care,
Tom
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I grew up out west of you, in Wyoming County.
That's the big problem for rural NY, the tail (NYC) wags the dog in that state. Nasty income tax, nasty sales tax, and a pretty anti-gun political climate. I always loved the land, there's a lot of terrific woodchuck hunting out there.
That's the big problem for rural NY, the tail (NYC) wags the dog in that state. Nasty income tax, nasty sales tax, and a pretty anti-gun political climate. I always loved the land, there's a lot of terrific woodchuck hunting out there.
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Now listen boy, I'm tryin' to teach you somethin'. That ain't an optical illusion, it only LOOKS LIKE an optical illusion.
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GREAT looking 94. Thanks for sharing the range report. Yes, looks, cold, but probably no colder than here in WY while I await the wind and storm to blow itself out.
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