I believe the 40-65 was primarily loaded in the 1885 Winchester Single Shot but that it was also loaded in the 1886 Winchester Levergun. My question is: Was the standard load used with a paper patched bullet? and if so was this same load (with paper patched bullets) used in the 1886. The deeper question probably concerns the use of paper patched bullets in leverguns??? I think the patches might be damaged, but to what affect? I don't know. Thoughts????????????40-65 Winchester/Paper patched bullets Question
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40-65 Winchester/Paper patched bullets Question
Just Curious I believe the 40-65 was primarily loaded in the 1885 Winchester Single Shot but that it was also loaded in the 1886 Winchester Levergun. My question is: Was the standard load used with a paper patched bullet? and if so was this same load (with paper patched bullets) used in the 1886. The deeper question probably concerns the use of paper patched bullets in leverguns??? I think the patches might be damaged, but to what affect? I don't know. Thoughts????????????
I believe the 40-65 was primarily loaded in the 1885 Winchester Single Shot but that it was also loaded in the 1886 Winchester Levergun. My question is: Was the standard load used with a paper patched bullet? and if so was this same load (with paper patched bullets) used in the 1886. The deeper question probably concerns the use of paper patched bullets in leverguns??? I think the patches might be damaged, but to what affect? I don't know. Thoughts????????????Jonathan
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Jbm,
Your close. The 40-65 was primarily a levergun cartridge for the 1886 Winchester. It could be ordered in the 1885. The Marlin 1881 also chambered it but it was known as the 40-60 Marlin. Most other makers of the times, especially in the single shot catagory, made it available. Bullets were 260 gr. in weight and twist was 1-28.
It was not until modern times that shooters realized the potential of the 40-65 for use in BPCR. Recoil was reduced by going to 40 cal and using heavier than standard bullets in the 350-400 gr. weight. Twist had to be changed to 1-18 to stabilize the longer bullets.
Some shooters in the old days and modern times have toyed with paper patched bullets and they work (from what I have read--no experience with PP) Some cartridges were available from the factory with PP as the original 45-100 Sharps in the pic below.------------Sixgun
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Your close. The 40-65 was primarily a levergun cartridge for the 1886 Winchester. It could be ordered in the 1885. The Marlin 1881 also chambered it but it was known as the 40-60 Marlin. Most other makers of the times, especially in the single shot catagory, made it available. Bullets were 260 gr. in weight and twist was 1-28.
It was not until modern times that shooters realized the potential of the 40-65 for use in BPCR. Recoil was reduced by going to 40 cal and using heavier than standard bullets in the 350-400 gr. weight. Twist had to be changed to 1-18 to stabilize the longer bullets.
Some shooters in the old days and modern times have toyed with paper patched bullets and they work (from what I have read--no experience with PP) Some cartridges were available from the factory with PP as the original 45-100 Sharps in the pic below.------------Sixgun
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Back in the 70s I saw a guy buy an 1886 and a couple of boxes of old time paper patched shells to go along w/it... Saw him at the range later that day shooting the same gun & shells... He had about a six inch group @ 100 from a magazine full.. I was impressed w/ the gun & ammo..I thought he was kinda dumb tho...