OT --- Facebook ?

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:56 pm

Any of you guys Facebook?

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:00 pm

casastahle wrote:Any of you guys Facebook?

My wife is, not me though.

Joe

L_Kilkenny · Post by **L_Kilkenny** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:31 pm

I check i na couple times a day but don't post much over there.

LK

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:31 pm

Post by **Old Savage** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:50 pm

I am.

dkmlever · Post by **dkmlever** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:53 pm

Nope, no black berry, no twitter, no cell phone w/camera no caller ID nope nope and nope.

jnyork · Post by **jnyork** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:05 pm

dkmlever wrote:Nope, no black berry, no twitter, no cell phone w/camera no caller ID nope nope and nope.

That's me.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:07 pm

Nope. I lasted about 2 weeks when I found a bunch of folks I went to HS with. After 2 weeks, I remembered why I only kept in contact with 2-3 of them over the past 20 years.

Bogie35 · Post by **Bogie35** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:07 pm

I do! It's fun to reunite with so many people from my past! I've even been able to make some amends.

bogie

Mike D. · Post by **Mike D.** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:15 pm

Nah, I'm an old dinosaur who can't quite get the hang of that stuff.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:23 pm

No condensending on the dudes who do but who has time for stupid stuff like Facebook? I don't even talk on the phone unless I have to. Very little TV except the Military History channel.
This is my life:

Go to work Mon-Fri (6-2:30--40 hours--no more!

)

Come home 2:35 PM, play with dogs and do anywhere from 1 hour to 4 hours of chores

Take shower, eat

Play with guns and load ammo

Get online to check e-mail & Leverguns

Gather my dogs & go to bed

weekends---Gunshows, gunclub, Hangout at Targetmaster, travel to competitive shoots, load ammo, hunt a little, maintain 3 Jeeps, play with dogs.

Once in a while I talk to my wife.

--------------Yea, nothin' like being one way but a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do.

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:02 pm

I was, but decided it wasn't for me. I have suspended my account.

firefuzz · Post by **firefuzz** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:20 pm

A little, just to keep in touch with old friends.

Rob

Post by **Hobie** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:22 pm

jnyork wrote:
dkmlever wrote:Nope, no black berry, no twitter, no cell phone w/camera no caller ID nope nope and nope.

That's me.

Me too but the wife is. SHE NEVER posts, just lets her see some family and friends if she gets in the mood to look.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:22 pm

just to throw a wet dishtowel in, unless something has changed recently, facebook installs a cookie deal that follows your around the internet, EVEN WHEN YOU'RE NOT LOGGED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT. Then they slice and dice the data and sell it commercially.

it's been in the user agreement, check it out. it's the price you pay for the service. I declined.

Grizz

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:26 pm

Yep but that is just so I can satisfy my Mafia Wars addiction.

Actually I am friends with a few of the folk from here.

piller · Post by **piller** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:27 pm

Some, and I found an old friend who I was happy to talk to again. He was one of the few people I hung out with in High School. Through another friend on there, I also met a lady who was at all the same Army Posts that I was, and at the same times. We never met, but she was a parachute rigger, so she might have kept me alive as it is possible that I jumped with a chute she rigged. We'll never know, but she seems like a nice lady. If you are careful with Facebook, it can be a good way to find old friends, especially if you are like me and have moved a few times.

adirondakjack · Post by **adirondakjack** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:32 pm

I am and I tell ya what, it helps me stay in touch with folks who are NOT using the old fashioned techology like TELEPHONES. FB has also allowed me to reunite with long lost folks I do care about, while not making me ADD those I don't as friends, etc.

Two twenty-something relatives are on FB, one serving in the sandbox, the other living 1500 miles away, and it's nice to have them pop in and say hi when I check the pages, etc.

Now I don't go in for the time-wasting games and stuff, but it has it's uses, at least for me.

Doc Hudson · Post by **Doc Hudson** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:44 pm

I don't do Facbook, I don't do, MySpace, i don't Twitter, I don't Flitter, I don't even do YouTube other than to view a link someone posts here.

This is my "Social Networking" site.

Don McDowell · Post by **Don McDowell** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:05 pm

I do Facebook. I find it a very good way to keep up with the kids and grandkids,nieces, nephews etc.
Haven't really had much contact with "friends" from the past that I didn't already keep up with on occasion anyways.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:09 pm

Yep, but only under my undercover id. Have to keep appearances, ya know! It's kinda fun playin' with those idiot's heads all over again.

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:15 pm

I may be more of a Luddite than I had thought. I tried facebook, for about a half hour. I guess I just dont "get it". I also didnt want to give them the password to my e-mail account to see if anyone in there had a facebook account. I think they send out an invite to anyone in there, as I've gotten a few invites from people joining, and I asked them, they didnt know it was going to happen. I don't want to be facebook friends with many people in my e-mail address book, or for them to know any more about me. I also really don't care to put my name out online, so I guess it isnt likely to go anywhere for me. I tried myspace for a short while, I really didnt "get it" either.

I figure I already waste enough time on this and a couple other places I go online.

I don't have a TV either,....

Don McDowell · Post by **Don McDowell** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:42 pm

You don't have to give them the password to your email account. All you do is paste in someones email address in the search block , if that person doesn't come up already there, then you can send them the email to come join in,if you want to.
It takes less time to see what's posted by your "friends" on facebook than it does to skip past the political and ot topics on the active topics page here.

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:29 pm

Grizz wrote:just to throw a wet dishtowel in, unless something has changed recently, facebook installs a cookie deal that follows your around the internet, EVEN WHEN YOU'RE NOT LOGGED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT. Then they slice and dice the data and sell it commercially.

it's been in the user agreement, check it out. it's the price you pay for the service. I declined.

Grizz

I believe that's how most cookies function, including the ones on leverguns. What they do with the info is another question. You can manually delete cookies when you leave a site. If you don't delete cookies, then wherever you go and have cookies enabled, will know where you've been. If you want to know how many cookies you collect, go into your internet settings and set it to manually accept or deny all cookies. In manual, you can see that many sites will try to set at least 3 or 4 cookies, some up to a dozen. You'll get third party cookies also, seemingly completely unrelated to the site youre visiting. You have to have cookies enabled in most sites to log in and post. Other browsers may function differently, but I think this is pretty basic.

Do you log in automatically here or anywhere else? That's cookies that enable that.

I have only a few sites set to allow cookies, all others are shut off, and all third party cookies always shut off.

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:35 pm

Don McDowell wrote:You don't have to give them the password to your email account. All you do is paste in someones email address in the search block , if that person doesn't come up already there, then you can send them the email to come join in,if you want to.
It takes less time to see what's posted by your "friends" on facebook than it does to skip past the political and ot topics on the active topics page here.

That makes sense Don. Thanks for the clarification.

I guess I may just lack the level of interest it takes to make that medium effective.

Don McDowell · Post by **Don McDowell** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:40 pm

If it wasn't for all the pictures and daily stuff the kids put on there about the grandkids, nieces and nephews etc, there wouldn't be much point in it. All the stuff from the other "friends" we usually get in emails, messenger or phone calls etc.
Not interested in playing the games and such that some folks are so caught up in.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:19 am

Malamute,

not the same thing. the cookies on this site keep track of what posts we've read. as near as I can tell, those cookies do not track any other use of the web from my computer, and the site owners do not use my interaction with this site commercially. The owners of this site don't track what I do on other sites, or track at all if I'm not using this site.

OTOH, the social networking sites, including I believe facebook and some others, actually track what you do on this site, and every other site you visit, regardless of whether you are logged into the facebook site.

THAT'S A HORSE OF AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT COLOR. There's no comparison. The social networking sites essentially hijack your internet usage patterns.

I hope I made the distinction clear. The social network sites are data mining everything you do with your browser.

Grizz

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:05 am

Good to know I'm not the only one that uses Facebook
from time to time. Old Savage welcome to my FB friends list.

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:58 am

Nope!
I dont do any stuff like that either....
Face book, myspace, all the high tech phones and gadgets
are all a waste of time and money to me...but ipods with music is ok
Just simple ole emails and leverguns for me...
otherwise I would rather be outside, or , watching an old movie

gundownunder · Post by **gundownunder** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:29 am

The wife and kids all do, but I'd be about as interested in using facebook as I am in using the phone, and I only own a phone because my boss tells me I have to.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:39 am

Cookies can be removed and/or disabled.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:09 am

have you done it on facebook and verified that it all works????

you'all are not getting what I'm saying, but I don't care, I try to inform......
sorry I can't explain it well enough.

BTW: here's a news item about social networking sites. they're
everywhere, they're everywhere, here as well I presume.

http://www.komonews.com/news/tech/87800407.html

Bigahh · Post by **Bigahh** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:13 am

I always thought it was for single people who didn't want to be single any longer! Shows you what I know about it. No time anyway. The people that would be in my network see me on a regular basis anyway.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:39 am

Griff wrote:Cookies can be removed and/or disabled.

Griff,

What I'm trying to communicate is not about cookies. It is about a trojan that tracks all of your browser usage and reports that back to their database. It is a script that lurks and runs when you open your browser. It isn't "a cookie", as I understand it.

Sorry if I'm not typing clearly.

Grizz

Don McDowell · Post by **Don McDowell** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:26 pm

Asked son Bob (he gets his paycheck for being the internet security specialist) about this trojan etc stuff.
He read the thread and this is what he wrote back.
Looking at the whole thread:

"facebook installs a cookie deal that follows your around the internet, EVEN WHEN YOU'RE NOT LOGGED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT. Then they slice and dice the data and sell it commercially."

True. Thing is, though, that everyone does this. Secrecy about which websites you visit died in the 90's. CNN, FoxNews, Amazon, etc, etc, etc - they're all using cookies to track where else online you're going, and have been for years. Facebook isn't doing anything any more or less evil than the rest of the net here.

"I also didnt want to give them the password to my e-mail account to see if anyone in there had a facebook account."

This is wise. Never do this. Use different passwords for everything, but especially do not use the same password for Facebook as you do your email. And never tell Facebook or any other site your passwords, because before too long they'll get used without your permission.

"I believe that's how most cookies function, including the ones on leverguns."

Yep.

"the cookies on this site keep track of what posts we've read. as near as I can tell, those cookies do not track any other use of the web from my computer, and the site owners do not use my interaction with this site commercially. The owners of this site don't track what I do on other sites, or track at all if I'm not using this site."

First, even if this were true, it could change overnight without your knowledge or consent. Second, as above, you really need to assume that this is happening anyway. You should be using security practices that make it 'no big deal' if someone knows your internet history. Think big glass windows without curtains...

"The social network sites are data mining everything you do with your browser."

This is fear-mongering, due to not finding value in that category of website. Again, assume 'not safe' everywhere.

"It is about a trojan that tracks all of your browser usage and reports that back to their database"

Nope. The only 'trojan' is your webbrowser. Think about it - it writes cookies, and needs to read them back later. What's stopping it from reading all the other files in that folder as well? Nothing, that's what.

This presentation takes a while to watch, but you'd be shocked by what's available about you even if you delete every cookie ever created as soon as they appear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsxxsrn2Tfs

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:37 pm

True. Thing is, though, that everyone does this. Secrecy about which websites you visit died in the 90's. CNN, FoxNews, Amazon, etc, etc, etc - they're all using cookies to track where else online you're going, and have been for years. Facebook isn't doing anything any more or less evil than the rest of the net here.

Here's the difference. I don't have to permit cookie use, and don't, on any of those sites cited above. My default is no cookies allowed. I can use this site without cookies. I can use CNN, Fox, Amazon, etc, etc, etc- with cookies disabled.

But you can't use the social sites without cookies enabled, they force you to have them on to use the site. This is the point I am trying to make. There are also "supercookies" THAT DON'T SHOW UP in the cookie management window, or I misread the article about that detail. Search supercookies if interested.

It's true, browsers report your operating system and version, your browser version, and your ISP's IP. I would defeat that too if I knew how. The only way I know is to use anonymizer servers, and I DON'T TRUST THEM ANY MORE THAN I TRUST THE SOCIAL SITES, OR hussein FOR THAT MATTER.

Regards,

Grizz

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:46 pm

I did MySpace for awhile, but when the wimmin find you on there, Holy stuff, they want to do all the little nudges, winks, games.....

I canceled my account. I like socializing right here and a little bit at another outdoor site and a Motorcycle site...

Don't no one wink or nudge me......box yer ears

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:44 pm

BlaineG wrote:Don't no one wink or nudge me......box yer ears

Wink wink, nudge nudge, know what I mean, eh gov'nah?

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:50 pm

awp101 wrote:
BlaineG wrote:Don't no one wink or nudge me......box yer ears
Wink wink, nudge nudge, know what I mean, eh gov'nah?

might have to retry him after his nap....

adirondakjack · Post by **adirondakjack** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:02 pm

Grizz wrote:
Griff wrote:Cookies can be removed and/or disabled.
Griff,

What I'm trying to communicate is not about cookies. It is about a trojan that tracks all of your browser usage and reports that back to their database. It is a script that lurks and runs when you open your browser. It isn't "a cookie", as I understand it.

Sorry if I'm not typing clearly.

Grizz

there is no Facebook trojan. That's a web rumor. facebook, like MANY sites, uses advanced cookies and little scripts that read your IP address and targeted adevertizing appears when you use the site. Just like some sites use "reader" software that actually searches your posts for keyowrds and shazaam, "pertinent" banners appear on the page. Discuss abortion on a motorcycle website, suddenly ya have right to life or birth control ads on the bottom of the page.

Be that as it may, like walking in a field, yer boots get dirty. Norton and/or adaware on a frequent basis is the "boot brush"....

it's a FACT of life online.

They just had a piece on major network TV saying the FEDS are doing exactly the same thing, as are state and local LEOs. They scan facebook or (shudder) gun websites looking for email addresses or screen names known to be associated with certain folks. They track who they chat with, their facebook buddies, etc. Good way to build intel on gangbangers or skinheads in the "twitter" age....

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:04 pm

FACEBOOK, ACCORDING TO THEIR USER AGREEMENT, TRACKS YOUR BROWSER USAGE EVEN WHEN YOU ARE NOT LOGGED IN TO YOUR FACEBOOK ACCOUNT.

I READ THIS IN THE USER AGREEMENT.

WHAT'S THE POINT OF DENYING THEIR USEAGE POLICY?

Don McDowell · Post by **Don McDowell** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:09 pm

I'll be sure and keep all my paper money and bank statements under 1 inch thick sheets of lead so those black helicopters can tell how much money I have when they fly over as well.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:38 pm

Don McDowell wrote: I'll be sure and keep all my paper money and bank statements under 1 inch thick sheets of lead so those black helicopters can tell how much money I have when they fly over as well.

they already know, there's supercookies in the lead.....

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:20 pm

I have an account, but probably only look at it once a week or so. Really just a means to see some photos of extended family.

Mutt · Post by **Mutt** » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:16 pm

I still like the dial type phones. Much easier to use, better to hear on, and NO weird noises . Besides , I don't give a rat's ****** about most of the past , and little of the
present. ....

The people I'm speaking of.

Mutt

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:17 pm

Ysabel Kid wrote:I have an account, but probably only look at it once a week or so. Really just a means to see some photos of extended family.

thats roughly my extent of usage also. Couple of long lost family members have re-connected with me through there, that type of thing. Started the account because a ton of people would say things like "your not on myspace or facebook? weird" -- So i started an account and posted a couple of pics, etc. Kept up with it for about 2 weeks, but now i dont log in unless i get a friend request or something. Trouble is, i do half my work for my job on the computer (4 or 5 hours a day) -- and often times, when the job is done --- i have to back away from the thing and do something else not computer related at all

This site, AR15.com and 67-72chevytrucks.com get most of my recreational computer time. I dont have enough time in the day for FB, but i do think its a neat concept