I think this is pretty neat. A '66 or '73 in .38 Short Colt
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I think this is pretty neat. A '66 or '73 in .38 Short Colt
After reading about the "Cowboy Carrier" that runs Cowboy .45 Special in toggle link rifles, a feller asked "Can ya make one for .38 Short Colt?"
"Uh, yeah we could" was the answer.
And so it is.
Might be a neat way to have ya a .38 caliber "Brush Popper" that still holds 10 rounds, or run a bunch of jack rabbit medicine through a LONG rifle. With a cartridge OAL of 1.030 to 1.080" it'd handle a passle of em.
Right now it is a custom, special order piece, but if sufficient demand exists we will offer em as a stock item.
"Uh, yeah we could" was the answer.
And so it is.
Might be a neat way to have ya a .38 caliber "Brush Popper" that still holds 10 rounds, or run a bunch of jack rabbit medicine through a LONG rifle. With a cartridge OAL of 1.030 to 1.080" it'd handle a passle of em.
Right now it is a custom, special order piece, but if sufficient demand exists we will offer em as a stock item.
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Re: I think this is pretty neat. A '66 or '73 in .38 Short Colt
that wood be great for SASS, cowboy action shooting!
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Re: I think this is pretty neat. A '66 or '73 in .38 Short Colt
Ohh..Pretty....
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Re: I think this is pretty neat. A '66 or '73 in .38 Short Colt
Nice Jack!
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Re: I think this is pretty neat. A '66 or '73 in .38 Short Colt
AJ;
You have taken a "SASS Gamer" to a new level, Pard.
You have taken a "SASS Gamer" to a new level, Pard.
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Re: I think this is pretty neat. A '66 or '73 in .38 Short Colt
Lefty Dude wrote:AJ;
You have taken a "SASS Gamer" to a new level, Pard.
The feller asked (actually two of em did, but that's another story) and I said "why not?"
I was told 5 yrs ago by a big name CAS smith that the Cowboy .45 Special would NEVER be made to run in a toggle link. We've sold maybe 75 carriers for those. A .38 version of the Cowboy .45 Special carrier was a natural follow-on.
My ole man used to say "the difficult we do today, the impossible takes a little longer."
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Re: I think this is pretty neat. A '66 or '73 in .38 Short Colt
JUST LOOKING AT THAT CARRIER WARMS THE COCKHOLDS OF MY HEART ALL THE WAY FROM THE LFT TO THE RIGHT VENTRICLE !!
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Re: I think this is pretty neat. A '66 or '73 in .38 Short Colt
New-bo here: What is a carrier and what is a toggle link rifle?, as in where you say:
Since I haven't read about it yet, maybe you could fill me/us in or point to the reading material? ThanksAfter reading about the "Cowboy Carrier" that runs Cowboy .45 Special in toggle link rifles
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Re: I think this is pretty neat. A '66 or '73 in .38 Short Colt
The toggle-link Rifle in discussion is a Winchester 73 copy or clone made by Uberti in Italy.
Toggle-link is in reference on how the lever, bolt & cartridge carrier are timed and accutuated. This is accomplished by a pair of center-jointed links on each side of the action.
Winchester also brought out a Model 76 in Rifle caliber with the same design. This is a larger frame Rifle. The Model 73 is Revolver cartridges only.
Toggle-link is in reference on how the lever, bolt & cartridge carrier are timed and accutuated. This is accomplished by a pair of center-jointed links on each side of the action.
Winchester also brought out a Model 76 in Rifle caliber with the same design. This is a larger frame Rifle. The Model 73 is Revolver cartridges only.
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Arizona Cowboy Shooter's Assoc.
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Re: I think this is pretty neat. A '66 or '73 in .38 Short Colt
Bill_Rights, As Lefty said, the toggle link is a type of early lever action mechanism, and rifles that use it are called toggle links. Those made as replicas today by Uberti, and imported under various names include the '60 Henry, '66 and '73 Winchesters, and a couple of others not germain to this discussion.
The Cowboy .45 Special mentioned is a proprietary cartridge meant to provide a short case, low velocity round for use in ,45 Colt rifles, when used in Cowboy Action games or for plinking. The short round would not feed properly in the toggle link rifles until a special carrier was designed to handle it.
A spin-off of that special carrier in .38 caliber allows use of .38 Short Colt in .38 special/.357 rifles, again overcoming the design limits of the rifle to allow a short cartridge to be used where it was not intended. CAS shooters like short, low powered rounds for use in high speed steel plate games as low recoil is helpful.
A carrier is literally an elevator that transports the cartridges from the magazine tube upward into the axis of the bore, where the bolt can shove them into the chamber. Rounds too short for the design would try to feed two at a time, jamming up the gun. The cowboy carrier fixes that by employing a pivoting mechanical latch inside the carrier, effectively reducing the carrier's cartridge length specifications while not changing the actual rifle (it's an adapter)
If you google 1873 winchester rifle, you can see the carrier as a block of metal visible from both the top and bottom of the rifle, immediately behind the chamber. In use it shuttles up and down ferrying the rounds from the magazine to the chamber and once spent, out the top of the gun.
For more on the Cowboy .45 Special cartridge, visit cowboy45special.com
The Cowboy .45 Special mentioned is a proprietary cartridge meant to provide a short case, low velocity round for use in ,45 Colt rifles, when used in Cowboy Action games or for plinking. The short round would not feed properly in the toggle link rifles until a special carrier was designed to handle it.
A spin-off of that special carrier in .38 caliber allows use of .38 Short Colt in .38 special/.357 rifles, again overcoming the design limits of the rifle to allow a short cartridge to be used where it was not intended. CAS shooters like short, low powered rounds for use in high speed steel plate games as low recoil is helpful.
A carrier is literally an elevator that transports the cartridges from the magazine tube upward into the axis of the bore, where the bolt can shove them into the chamber. Rounds too short for the design would try to feed two at a time, jamming up the gun. The cowboy carrier fixes that by employing a pivoting mechanical latch inside the carrier, effectively reducing the carrier's cartridge length specifications while not changing the actual rifle (it's an adapter)
If you google 1873 winchester rifle, you can see the carrier as a block of metal visible from both the top and bottom of the rifle, immediately behind the chamber. In use it shuttles up and down ferrying the rounds from the magazine to the chamber and once spent, out the top of the gun.
For more on the Cowboy .45 Special cartridge, visit cowboy45special.com
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Re: I think this is pretty neat. A '66 or '73 in .38 Short Colt
WOW!
AJ;
You put that in plain logical English so even I can understand the workings of the Carrier.
Can you go to Washington D.C. and teach the Politicians this American - Speak you do so well.
Oh, never mind most will be with out a job in nine months.
AJ;
You put that in plain logical English so even I can understand the workings of the Carrier.
Can you go to Washington D.C. and teach the Politicians this American - Speak you do so well.
Oh, never mind most will be with out a job in nine months.
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Cowtown Cowboy Shooter's Assoc.
Uberti 73/44-40 carbine, Rossi 92/44-40,
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Arizona Cowboy Shooter's Assoc.
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Marlin 94CB/44 24" Limited, Winchester 94/30-30
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Re: I think this is pretty neat. A '66 or '73 in .38 Short Colt
That is very slick!
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Re: I think this is pretty neat. A '66 or '73 in .38 Short Colt
AJ,
Thanks! I am duly educated and impressed.
Bill
Thanks! I am duly educated and impressed.
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Re: I think this is pretty neat. A '66 or '73 in .38 Short Colt
Bill, no problem.
Lefty, ya think maybe I've told this story once or twice?
Lefty, ya think maybe I've told this story once or twice?
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