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I think I'll just stay on this continent......I'm all for adrenaline, but that is too close.
Lion Charge
Kansas Ed wrote:I watched the second video several times and I'm not so sure that one fella wasn't shot just after the cat got back up and made a run for it. And it looks to me like the fella that got knocked down on the first run shot at the cat when the guy was directly in the line of fire. If you notice the guy in question goes down hard, though the cat doesn't appear to be close to him at the time.
Ed
86er wrote: Looks like fun to me!
I can't help but agree. After all a big bore double has been the standard for over 100 years.86er wrote:This is why I say that it is irresponsible for a PH to hunt dangerous game with a bolt gun. At a few feet off the gun a big bore double would make quite an impression, and the second shot is instantly there. Looks like fun to me!
Cape Buffalo ain't easy. Just ask these cats: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kMJacko wrote: personnally I'd be looking for the Cape Buffalo next ::
me too!TCB in TN wrote: Always thought I would like to do the african big 5, but think if I ever do I would like at least a little more room than that!
flounderjig wrote: he is easy going quiet type with big b-ll's.
Ahhh...madman4570 wrote:flounderjig wrote: he is easy going quiet type with big b-ll's.
Hmm, I think, "really" if he had them,he wouldn't have had half of everbody in Africa shooting also!
I don't mean that to cut anyone down but that right there is kinda like hunting a deer in a tree stand
with C'Mere Deer spread all over the ground and doe scent spread all over."cheating"?
If that way floats your boat,and you can convince yourself.That's fine.
I know a PH thinks different and that is fine(it's his job to save the client's life.But for my own self,If I can't
take the animal myself(for me----not worth it)
If he really had what you say,he would have had a double rifle"waited to make a proper shot"himself and did the animal the respect it deserves.
Only one that impressed me was the Lion!
Also terrible planning on the first shot ?????????
Ok then, go out with your guide and trackers. Find a lion and tell nobody else to shoot it after you shoot??? Doubt that's gonna happen friend. You can't predict how an animal like that will react to the shot. If a dangerous animal is still on it's feet after you take your first shot, any guide/PH worth his salt will start pumping lead that way too. To think the only way it would be satisfying would be for only YOUR bullets to harvest the animal is mostly fantasy as far as hunting dangerous game goes. Might as well stick with whitetails.madman4570 wrote:flounderjig wrote: he is easy going quiet type with big b-ll's.
Hmm, I think, "really" if he had them,he wouldn't have had half of everbody in Africa shooting also!
I don't mean that to cut anyone down but that right there is kinda like hunting a deer in a tree stand
with C'Mere Deer spread all over the ground and doe scent spread all over."cheating"?
If that way floats your boat,and you can convince yourself.That's fine.
I know a PH thinks different and that is fine(it's his job to save the client's life.But for my own self,If I can't
take the animal myself(for me----not worth it)
If he really had what you say,he would have had a double rifle"waited to make a proper shot"himself and did the animal the respect it deserves.
Only one that impressed me was the Lion!
Also terrible planning on the first shot ?????????
It IS his job to save your life, even if you are not smart enough to understand it! (Not meaning your personally)I know a PH thinks different and that is fine(it's his job to save the client's life.But for my own self,If I can't
take the animal myself(for me----not worth it)
I started talking about maybe going to Africa to hunt and my wife said I had to take her.86er wrote: Clients looking for a face-to-face encounter will prefer to hunt with me.
Why??????????????? Cause,maybe you would get killed???? or because that's the law?????? or both?????Doc Hudson wrote:If I were hunting with a Professional and shot something that bites back and it didn't fall down immediately, I'd be right upset if I got off a second shot before the PH chimed in on the subject.
"Irresponsible?" You've tagged an awful lot of PH's with that statement. There are many competent riflemen that can operate a bolt action very fast and reliably. And there is significant record of many PH's saving the hides of many clients using bolt action rifles. "Irresponsible?" Hmmmm...86er wrote:This is why I say that it is irresponsible for a PH to hunt dangerous game with a bolt gun.
Joe,86er wrote:In response to Madman4570 - I agree whole-heartedly that it is the clients hunt. You should hunt the way you want it to be. What happens when things don't go as planned is what divides PH's. One set of PH's will immediately shoot if your first bullet doesn't drop the animal. The other set of PH's will only shoot under two circumstances: the animal is shot but literally getting away at a good clip and the client cannot shoot anymore (for whatever reason), as [technically] this is required by law in some parts, OR there is one second and a matter of feet left before someone gets knocked over. You can tell what kind of PH you have by the rifle he carries, and how he gets you in for the first shot. If the PH has a large bore double rifle and carries it him/herself the whole time that is a good sign. If the PH gets you under 50 yds and keeps trying to get closer until the animal looks up at you, that's another good sign for those that want to "do it themselves". Other things to look for that are indicitive of a PH that "plays it safe": wearing a binocular bra - you know the contraption; always sending the trackers first; carrying or taking control of shooting sticks (one of the trackers should do it, not the PH); wearing a shiny wristwatch; glasses that are not removed in the presence of game or that don't have a tight-to-the-head strap; PH loading soft point (expanding bullets) on dangerous game. I'm not saying these guys aren't professionals that can get you your game properly, I am saying their behavior strongly indicates they will make every effort to avoid a problem instead of dealing with one head on and they do not have a strong survival mindset to fix a problem at the end of your boot tips.
TedH wrote: If a dangerous animal is still on it's feet after you take your first shot, any guide/PH worth his salt will start pumping lead that way too.
Assuming my two shots didn't anchor the animal, because stuff DOES happen, I'd sure as hell want some body else to shoot the animal to prevent loosing it, or worse, me becoming the critters lunch.
One or two shots, doesn't much matter. My only point is that I'm not going to be too proud to let someone else save me from becoming dinner if I somehow manage to botch things up. I think my wife and daughter would agree and rather see me come home in one piece.madman4570 wrote:TedH wrote: If a dangerous animal is still on it's feet after you take your first shot, any guide/PH worth his salt will start pumping lead that way too.
Assuming my two shots didn't anchor the animal, because stuff DOES happen, I'd sure as hell want some body else to shoot the animal to prevent loosing it, or worse, me becoming the critters lunch.
Which one is it, one or two ???
I would be shooting a Double Rifle.
Sure,after the SECOND shot, animal not down, getting away or bearing down PH go for it!(while I am reloading)or whatever.
After two shots the animal is 30 yards away about done(not getting away)I want to finish it!