"Bullseye" for cast bullets ? edit: Range Report
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"Bullseye" for cast bullets ? edit: Range Report
Has anyone tried this powder with plain base hard cast bullets in a 30-30?
I've tried Unique but not getting good accuracy.I'm using .309 cast bullets in my 336 microgroove barrel that slugged out to .308 diameter.
Neil
I've tried Unique but not getting good accuracy.I'm using .309 cast bullets in my 336 microgroove barrel that slugged out to .308 diameter.
Neil
Last edited by neil mitchell on Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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I have but I didn't get very good accuracy with it either. There may have been other reasons it didn't shoot well but it was good enough for plinking anyway.
Your .309" bullet may not be big enough. I have had better luck with .310" or .311" bullets. It is more important to fit the throat than the grooves.
Your .309" bullet may not be big enough. I have had better luck with .310" or .311" bullets. It is more important to fit the throat than the grooves.
The plain flat base bullets work better for me than the beveled plain base.
The old Lyman data with unique was with gas check bullets and reasonably low velocity.
From my memory on some data I can't find????????around 1100 fps was the most acurate with unique and non gas check bullets-Can't remember if they were flat or beveled.
My experience was better with 5744 and sr4759 around 1400 with plain flat base and with gas checked bullets and 4759 up to 1800 or so. With winn 748 and 170 gr gc bullet got over 2000 with decent accuracy.
Play carefull and have fun
Dave
The old Lyman data with unique was with gas check bullets and reasonably low velocity.
From my memory on some data I can't find????????around 1100 fps was the most acurate with unique and non gas check bullets-Can't remember if they were flat or beveled.
My experience was better with 5744 and sr4759 around 1400 with plain flat base and with gas checked bullets and 4759 up to 1800 or so. With winn 748 and 170 gr gc bullet got over 2000 with decent accuracy.
Play carefull and have fun
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Dave
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Thanks for the help guys.
I loaded up some 165gr cast and 7.0gr of Bullseye and got @1300 fps. .Accuracy was better than I got with Unique. 7.5grs of bullseye gave around 1400fps but poor accuracy.I think I'll order some .310 dia cast and see how they perform.
On another note, NO misfires since I changed to Win LR primers.
Neil
I loaded up some 165gr cast and 7.0gr of Bullseye and got @1300 fps. .Accuracy was better than I got with Unique. 7.5grs of bullseye gave around 1400fps but poor accuracy.I think I'll order some .310 dia cast and see how they perform.
On another note, NO misfires since I changed to Win LR primers.
Neil
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I only use Bullseye for "cat sneeze" loads in rifle cases.
For CB loads I prefer Unique, IMR SR4759 or perhaps the "standard" powders for cartridge.
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Hobie
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Hobie
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Neil,
Regarding Unique, you did not mention the charge weight you tried, but I think you may find happiness in the 6.5 - 7.0 gr. range.
w30wcf
Regarding Unique, you did not mention the charge weight you tried, but I think you may find happiness in the 6.5 - 7.0 gr. range.
w30wcf
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With a .32-20 cast bullet* (100-120 grs) 4.5-5.0 grs. of Bullseye will effectively replicate the "Short Range" factory loadings of long ago with good accuracy in my experience.
* reduce diameter from .313" to either .311" or .309" using a LEE push through sizing die unless your rifle will chamber .30-30 cartridges loaded with .313" bullets.
w30wcf
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* reduce diameter from .313" to either .311" or .309" using a LEE push through sizing die unless your rifle will chamber .30-30 cartridges loaded with .313" bullets.
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John,I tried your load w/unique but still got poor groups (patterns actually). I found 7.0gr of Bullseye gives about 1in groups at 25yds. I think that is pretty good. The velocity is around 1290 (I think) I don't have info here at the house. The ES on this load was 6 with SD of 3.(Again I think). Anyway it is the very best ES and SD I have ever gotten.
I think I'll stick with the Bullseye for now.I ordered some .310dia cast from Penn Bullets and will see how they do.
Neil
I think I'll stick with the Bullseye for now.I ordered some .310dia cast from Penn Bullets and will see how they do.
Neil
NRA,Disabled Vietnam Veteran
Neil,
Sorry to hear that the Unique load did not work out for you. It could be that the velocity may not be high enough to completely stabilize the bullet you are using.
Glad that Bullseye is giving you good results.
w30wcf
Sorry to hear that the Unique load did not work out for you. It could be that the velocity may not be high enough to completely stabilize the bullet you are using.
Glad that Bullseye is giving you good results.
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w30wcf
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aka Jack Christian SASS 11993 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Philippians 4:13
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aka Jack Christian SASS 11993 "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Philippians 4:13
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