Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
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Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
I was wondering...
Say you have a small .22 bolt gun like a Cricket.
Have the Bolt be Off hand, and make a highly recessed into the stock, somthing like an XP-100 only more so... i.e. the pistol grip at about the center of gravity for an action + 16.25" barrel.
The action & rear sight would be just over the forearm, wth about 6" of barrel extending past the pistol grip.
Wouldn't that be just about the ultimate in a .22 Colibri "it don't look like a gun" squirrel/pigeon sniper?
Say you have a small .22 bolt gun like a Cricket.
Have the Bolt be Off hand, and make a highly recessed into the stock, somthing like an XP-100 only more so... i.e. the pistol grip at about the center of gravity for an action + 16.25" barrel.
The action & rear sight would be just over the forearm, wth about 6" of barrel extending past the pistol grip.
Wouldn't that be just about the ultimate in a .22 Colibri "it don't look like a gun" squirrel/pigeon sniper?
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Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
There's a thought. Only those crickets aren't cheap for what you are getting - seem to be about half plastic to boot!
Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
Yea, but that pink stock is what got my 4 year old daughter interested in shooting!
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Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
My six year old and I stop in our local gun store about once a week. She looks at that pink Cricket every time. I've been thinking it's about time to get her started, but her Momma doesn't think so.
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Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
I only think "Cricket" because the barrel & action are already only 23" long... and I wouldn't have to do much metalwork to cobble together an ugly prototype.
Just think about it... a "rifle" by definition because of its length that actually handles like a pistol... except that because the rear sight is near your elbow has an 18" sight plane...
Just think about it... a "rifle" by definition because of its length that actually handles like a pistol... except that because the rear sight is near your elbow has an 18" sight plane...
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Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
It would be a fun little gun, no doubt, as long as its overall length was 26" or more. Any less and the BATFE would look askance. It'd be a devastating instrument of mass destruction and deaht, don't you know. And they're already eyeballing you as a dangerous right-wing extremist ...
Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
Well Ted like the song says:
Daddy don't care what momma don't allow, gonna shoot that rifle any how.
Daddy don't care what momma don't allow, gonna shoot that rifle any how.
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Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
the term "bullpup" comes to mind
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Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
Totally illegal to turn a rifle into a handgun and then there is the aforemention length thing if you leave it as a rifle.
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Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
I had though about doing that after looking at them for awhile one day. I wasn't thinking about sliding the grip forward though, just nipping the barral back to pistl length.
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But a bullpup version would be ok, so long as the overall length was legal.Bear 45/70 wrote:Totally illegal to turn a rifle into a handgun and then there is the aforemention length thing if you leave it as a rifle.
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Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
The OAL of a cricket is 30".
If you made a 26.25" bullpup it would still comply with the feds with 1/4" for safety.
but even if you wanted to actually make a sub-26 pistol, an AOW tax stamp isn't too hard/expensive to get.
If you made a 26.25" bullpup it would still comply with the feds with 1/4" for safety.
but even if you wanted to actually make a sub-26 pistol, an AOW tax stamp isn't too hard/expensive to get.
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Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
If they measure a gun, it's gonna be too short when they're done measuring.
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Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
Surely you aren't suggesting that our beloved public servants in the BATFE would lie about something like that, are you? Or use a measuring scale where an inch is '.............................' that long? They would NEVER do anything dishonest! Just ask them!Travis Morgan wrote:If they measure a gun, it's gonna be too short when they're done measuring.
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Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
If they do, ask to see the latest Calibration Sticker then
have them produce the Certificate of Calibration
Got to keep em honest!!
have them produce the Certificate of Calibration
Got to keep em honest!!
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Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
They'd just claim you were "impeding their investigation", then arrest you. Cops don't take requests from the back seat of a patrol car. My all time favorite response? "Those cuffs aren't tight, they're just new. They'll stretch out in a minute!"
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Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
ya,you are proably right!
Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
Andrew wrote:I had though about doing that after looking at them for awhile one day. I wasn't thinking about sliding the grip forward though, just nipping the barral back to pistl length.
Once again, are trying to go to federal prison? You can't make a pistol out of a rifle or shorten a rifle barrel to less than 16".
Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
Old Ironsights wrote:The OAL of a cricket is 30".
If you made a 26.25" bullpup it would still comply with the feds with 1/4" for safety.
but even if you wanted to actually make a sub-26 pistol, an AOW tax stamp isn't too hard/expensive to get.
You can't make a rifle into a pistol, no way, no how. You can buy just the receiver, then build your pistol, but once a receiver is made as a rifle, it is always a rifle.
Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
Don't be such a wet blanket..... Talkin' ain't doin'Bear 45/70 wrote:Old Ironsights wrote:The OAL of a cricket is 30".
If you made a 26.25" bullpup it would still comply with the feds with 1/4" for safety.
but even if you wanted to actually make a sub-26 pistol, an AOW tax stamp isn't too hard/expensive to get.
You can't make a rifle into a pistol, no way, no how. You can buy just the receiver, then build your pistol, but once a receiver is made as a rifle, it is always a rifle.
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Re: Funky Stock-smithing ideas...
Once it's REGISTERED as a rifle, it can't change, you mean.Bear 45/70 wrote:Old Ironsights wrote:The OAL of a cricket is 30".
If you made a 26.25" bullpup it would still comply with the feds with 1/4" for safety.
but even if you wanted to actually make a sub-26 pistol, an AOW tax stamp isn't too hard/expensive to get.
You can't make a rifle into a pistol, no way, no how. You can buy just the receiver, then build your pistol, but once a receiver is made as a rifle, it is always a rifle.
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Except that a Bullpup Rifle is, oddly enough, a RIFLE.Bear 45/70 wrote:Old Ironsights wrote:The OAL of a cricket is 30".
If you made a 26.25" bullpup it would still comply with the feds with 1/4" for safety.
but even if you wanted to actually make a sub-26 pistol, an AOW tax stamp isn't too hard/expensive to get.
You can't make a rifle into a pistol, no way, no how. You can buy just the receiver, then build your pistol, but once a receiver is made as a rifle, it is always a rifle.
If it has a shoulder stock it is a RIFLE - so long as the OAL is 26" or greater.
A bulpup has a shoulder stock.
If that bulpup is sized for a youth, it makes no odds.
What you are implying is that a 26" Cricket Rifle, designed & cut back for a small youth, would be a "pistol" simply because I can fire it quite well with one hand... which is categorically not so.
A bullpup is a Rifle, not a pistol, regatdless of the placement of Grip & trigger group.
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