Fords new Jeep Y J

tomtex · Post by **tomtex** » Fri May 01, 2009 11:17 am

Ford about 5 years back, purchases a company down in Brazil, building J Jeeps. Now Ford has invested Billions in to what it calls the troller (troll) company.
The first Ford vehicle to the world market is called the Troller t4, has a Navistar/International 3.0 diesel, its military model is the t4-m, it looks like a modern Willey's jeep, only better! to see this Ford wonder goto http://www.youtube.com and search for troller t4, and you will see how much better it is over the wrangler.
When our president opens up trade with Brazil, jeep look out . Price point less than $17,000.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Fri May 01, 2009 11:33 am

YouTube Troller videos:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_t ... er+t4&aq=f

Most of them seem to be in Spanish or Portuguese, and I haven't watched any of them yet. If Ford does import this vehicle in the future I'll be checking it out for sure.

Joe

MrMurphy · Post by **MrMurphy** » Fri May 01, 2009 12:14 pm

Israel still makes the Sufa (armored, longer Wrangler) for the same reason.....for some things, a Humvee is NOT the answer.

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Fri May 01, 2009 12:23 pm

H-1's are too wide for the mountains, and H-2's and 3's are just gay as hell.

meanc · Post by **meanc** » Fri May 01, 2009 1:22 pm

I don't understand why anyone would be interested in one of these over a standard Jeep YJ/TJ, especially w/ a diesel engline.

And to pay ~$17,000, too

I've got a 94 4.0 YJ with 105k miles on 31s, 1 1/4" lift shackles, rear locker, and removable snorkle.

Other than these minor add ons, it is completely stock and will easily do anything the "Troll" can do for a heck of a lot less money.

In the 10yr I've owned it, the only repairs are a new water pump and brakes. (knock on wood)

You can buy used "stock" YJs/TJs all day long in excellent mechanical condition for around $7000. After adding another $2000 for upgrades (tires/lift/locker), you've got one heck of a 4x4 for about $9000.

That will leave you with more than $8000 for gas and more upgrades.

deerwhacker444 · Post by **deerwhacker444** » Fri May 01, 2009 1:33 pm

Travis Morgan wrote: H-2's and 3's are just gay as hell.

Now that's just funny,..!

CEMENTHEAD · Post by **CEMENTHEAD** » Fri May 01, 2009 1:54 pm

Travis Morgan wrote:H-2's and 3's are just gay as hell.

I AGREE WHOLE HEARTEDLY!!!!!

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Fri May 01, 2009 1:59 pm

deerwhacker444 wrote:
Travis Morgan wrote: H-2's and 3's are just gay as hell.
Now that's just funny,..!

I can't even get in one of the H-3s. Seat won't go back far enough.

Can't wait to get my hands on the Boss Lady's Unlimited.

jb

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri May 01, 2009 2:01 pm

MrMurphy wrote:Israel still makes the Sufa (armored, longer Wrangler) for the same reason.....for some things, a Humvee is NOT the answer.

I HATED giving up my 151 for a HMMWV... especially in the forests of Germany.

None of the gaps in the trees in my Hide was wide enough for a hummer, but were just fine for my Jeep. (I could get a CUCV through most of them if necessary, but not a HMMWV.

tomtex · Post by **tomtex** » Fri May 01, 2009 4:58 pm

Well i can't waite to see a 4 door model of this troll on my Ford dealers lot,with a price point less than the jeep unlimited, with a new Diesel, i don't thank the current navistar/international it uses can be certified in the US,but i'm sure Ford can do it.

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Fri May 01, 2009 5:42 pm

Nah, I'll stick with my carburated, straight six powered CJ-8. It goes anywhere I have anywhere being, and I can "fix" anything on it. Heck, the fuel pump went south one time, and I just hung a gallon milk jug of gas on the hood, and ran a piece of fuel line to the carb. Controlled the fuel flow with a pair of vicegrips and motored on out. Try that with you fancy fuel injected anything. Hope you like to walk.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri May 01, 2009 5:43 pm

jeepnik wrote:Nah, I'll stick with my carburated, straight six powered CJ-8. It goes anywhere I have anywhere being, and I can "fix" anything on it. Heck, the fuel pump went south one time, and I just hung a gallon milk jug of gas on the hood, and ran a piece of fuel line to the carb. Controlled the fuel flow with a pair of vicegrips and motored on out. Try that with you fancy fuel injected anything. Hope you like to walk.

+1... and you will still be able to drive it after the EMP shuts off 90% of the vehicles on the road... and you will be able to go off road to get around them.

HATCHETTJACK · Post by **HATCHETTJACK** » Fri May 01, 2009 7:44 pm

jeepnik wrote:Nah, I'll stick with my carburated, straight six powered CJ-8. It goes anywhere I have anywhere being, and I can "fix" anything on it. Heck, the fuel pump went south one time, and I just hung a gallon milk jug of gas on the hood, and ran a piece of fuel line to the carb. Controlled the fuel flow with a pair of vicegrips and motored on out. Try that with you fancy fuel injected anything. Hope you like to walk.

your just mad you will have to change your name to TROLLNIK

does have a ring to it

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:57 pm

HATCHETTJACK wrote:
jeepnik wrote:Nah, I'll stick with my carburated, straight six powered CJ-8. It goes anywhere I have anywhere being, and I can "fix" anything on it. Heck, the fuel pump went south one time, and I just hung a gallon milk jug of gas on the hood, and ran a piece of fuel line to the carb. Controlled the fuel flow with a pair of vicegrips and motored on out. Try that with you fancy fuel injected anything. Hope you like to walk.
your just mad you will have to change your name to TROLLNIK does have a ring to it

Ouch, now that hurts.

O.S.O.K. · Post by **O.S.O.K.** » Fri May 01, 2009 10:08 pm

First of all, the price won't remain at $17K if its imported. Why? Because it'll have to have a bunch of stuff like airbags installed and probably won't pass the crash testing as-is. Glass may not be up to US Spec's either.

And then you'll have shipping.

I'm not worried about my Jeep losing value

either of them

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Fri May 01, 2009 10:19 pm

You're gonna hate me for this, but the four door TJ's or what ever they're calling them just don't look right. I've seen the Unlimiteds and like them. Then again, they're just a TJ version of the CJ-8, which was in itself just an updated CJ-6. But something abut the four doors??? No the Cherokee, they just don't get any better in class, plus it's RED.

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Sat May 02, 2009 1:36 pm

17 k price point, with a diesel, would put that in my garage ! The Jeep Liberty has a diesel version, maybe it is A similar engine ----- alas, me thinks it will be as ont of the other posters said, --- much more than 17k by the time it gets imported

O.S.O.K. · Post by **O.S.O.K.** » Sat May 02, 2009 2:30 pm

jeepnik wrote:You're gonna hate me for this, but the four door TJ's or what ever they're calling them just don't look right. I've seen the Unlimiteds and like them. Then again, they're just a TJ version of the CJ-8, which was in itself just an updated CJ-6. But something abut the four doors??? No the Cherokee, they just don't get any better in class, plus it's RED.

I don't hate you - but I do disagree - I think its cool as heck.

I really like this rig - I'm going to drive it for a long time - until it's got 200,000 + miles like my old Cherokee (225K)

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sat May 02, 2009 2:55 pm

They can keep that foreign junk. I like Jeeps, especially my three. That in-line 6 will go about 27 million milies before a rebuild.

I just put a timing chain and water pump on my old yellow '89 YJ "Islander" with 160K--It still don't burn no oil------------------------------------Sixgun

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sat May 02, 2009 3:01 pm

With complete respect to Jeeps and Jeep owners, we bought 3 Wranglers at the water company to use as meter reader rigs, and the have NOT held up to the task...Very rough stop and go work all day.... Not major stuff, but every little thing that could go wrong has: mostly sensors and relays, electronic stuff, brakes, won't stay in 4DW without slipping out

.....2 are 2000s and 1 is a 2002. I was going to buy a new Cherokee until we bought those at work

JustaJeepGuy · Post by **JustaJeepGuy** » Sat May 02, 2009 3:06 pm

I'll stick with my Jeep brand Jeeps, too. A '48 CJ-2A and an '89 YJ (bought brand spankin' new).

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sat May 02, 2009 3:17 pm

BlaineG wrote:With complete respect to Jeeps and Jeep owners, we bought 3 Wranglers at the water company to use as meter reader rigs, and the have NOT held up to the task...Very rough stop and go work all day.... Not major stuff, but every little thing that could go wrong has: mostly sensors and relays, electronic stuff, brakes, won't stay in 4DW without slipping out .....2 are 2000s and 1 is a 2002. I was going to buy a new Cherokee until we bought those at work

Blain,
With all due respect, I beg to differ.

Well, my son begs to differ. (where are you boy???) Anyway, he tells me the railroad uses Jeep Cherokee's and he tells me its nothing for them to put a quarter million miles on 'em with only regular maintenence. (Man, I hope he see's this to back me up or I'm gonna look real stupid--and that ain't hard to do

)

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Sat May 02, 2009 3:54 pm

BlaineG wrote:With complete respect to Jeeps and Jeep owners, we bought 3 Wranglers at the water company to use as meter reader rigs, and the have NOT held up to the task...Very rough stop and go work all day.... Not major stuff, but every little thing that could go wrong has: mostly sensors and relays, electronic stuff, brakes, won't stay in 4DW without slipping out .....2 are 2000s and 1 is a 2002. I was going to buy a new Cherokee until we bought those at work

Which is why I'll stick with my 27 year old CJ.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sat May 02, 2009 4:19 pm

The older ones were prolly better.......I liked them! Maybe they are once more good.....the three we bought were junk

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:19 pm

Guncranks,
Ain't it somethin' how Jeep owners, like colt-winchester-marlin-remington-s&w-ruger owners can get allfully defensive about their AMERICAN made purchases. I absolutely refuse to buy anything unless its made right here in the good 'ole U.S. of A.

---------------------Sixgun (funny thing--I took this pic about a year ago and it looks like it was made just for this post

I tell 'ya, its Christmas everyday if you want it to be

)

preventec47 · Post by **preventec47** » Sat May 02, 2009 7:05 pm

I dont know if anyone ever bothered to notice but the little Jap Suzuki Samurais
were near identical copies of the WW-II US military jeeps. Same exact size and
same power motor. I think they quit selling them in the US in about 1997 tho
I hear they still build them for other parts of the world. The little 1.3 liters
get about 30 mpg and that aint bad when you can have 4WD when you need it.
65 is about top speed however if you live in a major city where interstate
travel avg speed is 80 like in Atlanta

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sat May 02, 2009 7:16 pm

preventec47 wrote:I dont know if anyone ever bothered to notice but the little Jap Suzuki Samurais
were near identical copies of the WW-II US military jeeps. Same exact size and
same power motor. I think they quit selling them in the US in about 1997 tho
I hear they still build them for other parts of the world. The little 1.3 liters
get about 30 mpg and that aint bad when you can have 4WD when you need it.
65 is about top speed however if you live in a major city where interstate
travel avg speed is 80 like in Atlanta

I had the "Geo Tracker" badged version. First and only car I bought NIB (thank-you AAFES).

Great little doodlebug. Went everywhere until it lost #3 at 76K... (warrantee was 75K).

If I could have replaced the engine I would have... but I didn't have the bread. Traded the hulk for a CIVIC, which translated into a 68 Beetle which translated into a 95, then 99 Escort Wagons...

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Sat May 02, 2009 8:30 pm

Sixgun wrote:Guncranks,
Ain't it somethin' how Jeep owners, like colt-winchester-marlin-remington-s&w-ruger owners can get allfully defensive about their AMERICAN made purchases. I absolutely refuse to buy anything unless its made right here in the good 'ole U.S. of A. ---------------------Sixgun (funny thing--I took this pic about a year ago and it looks like it was made just for this post I tell 'ya, its Christmas everyday if you want it to be )

Sixgun, nice machine

Here's my "American as Cherry Pie" John Deere yard machine -------- its powerplant? A Yanmar 3 cylinder diesel -----

so much for all-american

your jeeps are cool though, btw, --- i have a K-5 Blazer i would love to sell to get one of those, but alas, the market dropped out of ;arge gas guzzling 4x4's recently

, guess im stuck with it

Jay Bird · Post by **Jay Bird** » Sat May 02, 2009 8:37 pm

I just went to the jeep stealer. And ............................. momma says soon.. 4dr rubicon for me(maybe) in near future.
DAD, I need a loan...............buddy

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sat May 02, 2009 8:39 pm

Doug,
My brother-in-law has the same model Deere as you. (I see, we all like our toys

whether they are Jeeps, pick-up trucks, neat guns or tractors

) He runs the livin' heck out of it and never did nothing to it in the way of maintenence. BTW, I used a Deere Model 400 twin cylinder K-532 gasser, 60" cut for 33 years before I bought the Kabota in 2007. The Deere is still sittin' in the barn but it needs a rod bearing

Here's my "American as Cherry Pie" John Deere yard machine -------- its powerplant? A Yanmar 3 cylinder diesel ----- so much for all-american

your jeeps are cool though, btw, --- i have a K-5 Blazer i would love to sell to get one of those, but alas, the market dropped out of ;arge gas guzzling 4x4's recently , guess im stuck with it

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sat May 02, 2009 8:44 pm

Sixgun jr wrote:I just went to the jeep stealer. And ............................. momma says soon.. 4dr rubicon for me(maybe) in near future.
DAD, I need a loan...............buddy

Loan? What makes you think I have any money? Mr Winchester & Mr. Colt has all of it.

I really think you need to take a break. A new Ultra Electra Glide Harley, Dodge Diesel, cars, M-16's, Stoner 63, weekends at Hugh Hefner's hangout...................

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Sun May 03, 2009 12:30 am

Sixgun wrote:
Sixgun jr wrote:I just went to the jeep stealer. And ............................. momma says soon.. 4dr rubicon for me(maybe) in near future.
DAD, I need a loan...............buddy
Loan? What makes you think I have any money? Mr Winchester & Mr. Colt has all of it.
I really think you need to take a break. A new Ultra Electra Glide Harley, Dodge Diesel, cars, M-16's, Stoner 63, weekends at Hugh Hefner's hangout...................

Well, give the kid a break. If he's young and single and hanging at Hugh's, he needs toys to impress the ladies.

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Sun May 03, 2009 12:46 am

I think the loan would have to be contingent on getting to tag along to Hugh's place!

BwanaDave · Post by **BwanaDave** » Sun May 03, 2009 6:53 am

I have had several Jeeps over the years and currently have a 45 willys mb and an 02 wrangler. The wangler has 125k miles on it so I have been looking. In my humble opinion the guys running Jeep have screwed them all up and the whole bunch ought to be rounded up and casterated. What they have done is like defacing Mount Rushmore. I was going to say the Statue of liberty and then I remembered it was French made, that is a discussion for another day. When I looked at the new jeeps the interiors looked like cocktail lounges, not something you could hose the mud and blood out of after a hunt. I like a Jeep that is a bare bones work machine like the willys. If they made and sold a willys today I would buy it in an instant. In India they still make the willys cj 3b (the high hood).

Dave

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sun May 03, 2009 7:53 am

Dave,
I agree with you on how the Jeep people made their vehicles "plush". Thats why I have a junker with 43 million miles on it for everyday driving and the Rubicon for going upstate, shootin' matches, or gunshows.

----------Sixgun

See how clean I keep it?

But...........that motor is spotless.

The blanket is for my "Road Dogs"

,
Of course, the Rubicon stays undercover......brother---sounds like a movie

dennie · Post by **dennie** » Sun May 03, 2009 8:04 am

Gotta admit it too, Jeeps are cute-Barbie drives one!

Sorry, just remembered the bumper sticker.

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Sun May 03, 2009 8:51 am

Nice tags!

handirifle · Post by **handirifle** » Sun May 03, 2009 11:40 am

Well this WAS my hunting rig an '01 TJ.

But I NEEDED more pulling power and room inside. If I'd had the money, I'd kept it, but could not justify paying the rediculous CA reg fees and insurance on a vehicle I seldom drove. It was my daily driver. It had a 2" lift, 31" tires, onboard air

Tank and 12V compressor here ($200 off Ebay) (before splitting them up for the install)
http://handirifle.com/articles/huntingrig.htm (pics too big to post)
4.0L fuel injected inline 6, 5 spd. In the early months it had some brake rotor issues that finally got resolved. Other than that ZERO problems for the 50,000 miles I put on it.

They are GREAT vehicles but it had too many limitations in space, for my needs.

I now use an '06 Tundra Double cab 4x4 truck and an '83 Honda XL600 for off road needs. Nowhere near as fun as the Jeep, but more practical for me.

Oh yea, I see no advantage of the Ford over the Jeep. Diesel is somewhat of a plus off road, BUT most diesel applications like these are sorely underpowered for on road use.

Jay Bird · Post by **Jay Bird** » Sun May 03, 2009 11:59 am

Sixgun wrote:
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Wow!!! you even have a doggie door on that thing.

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Sun May 03, 2009 12:29 pm

Sixgun jr wrote:Wow!!! you even have a doggie door on that thing.

Back before you were born, that was probably a beer can jettison port!

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sun May 03, 2009 1:31 pm

Travis Morgan wrote:
Sixgun jr wrote:Wow!!! you even have a doggie door on that thing.
Back before you were born, that was probably a beer can jettison port!

Travis,
Yea, that boy of mine is just a young pup (36). Back when I was drinkin' & drivin', we had these things called "vent windows". We would use 'em for tapping our cigarette ashes, throwin' out empty beer cans, even the occasional joint would get thrown out if "the man" was tailgating

----------Sixgun

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Sun May 03, 2009 9:46 pm

Why would you throw a joint of pipe out a wing window? LOL, I remember folks flicking their ashes out the wing, and how funny it was when embers would blow back in and get in their shirt collars! I'm from about the same generation(I'm 32) and remember when I found out that album covers and frisbees were actually used for things other that what I generally saw them used for; I remember tripping out potheads as a kid, because I could always find their "stash". It was ALWAYS right under the sofa!

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Mon May 04, 2009 7:38 pm

Travis Morgan wrote:Why would you throw a joint of pipe out a wing window? LOL, I remember folks flicking their ashes out the wing, and how funny it was when embers would blow back in and get in their shirt collars! I'm from about the same generation(I'm 32) and remember when I found out that album covers and frisbees were actually used for things other that what I generally saw them used for; I remember tripping out potheads as a kid, because I could always find their "stash". It was ALWAYS right under the sofa!

Travis,
32? Your a spring chicken compared to me (54) and an embryo compared to Terry Murbach (147)

My generation made pot (and other nasty drugs) "acceptable" to the young crowd.
I gave up beer, cigarettes, and weed when I turned 40---had enough and needed to clear out the old head.----------Sixgun

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:09 pm

Sixgun wrote:
Travis Morgan wrote:Why would you throw a joint of pipe out a wing window? LOL, I remember folks flicking their ashes out the wing, and how funny it was when embers would blow back in and get in their shirt collars! I'm from about the same generation(I'm 32) and remember when I found out that album covers and frisbees were actually used for things other that what I generally saw them used for; I remember tripping out potheads as a kid, because I could always find their "stash". It was ALWAYS right under the sofa!
Travis,
32? Your a spring chicken compared to me (54) and an embryo compared to Terry Murbach (147) My generation made pot (and other nasty drugs) "acceptable" to the young crowd.
Sixgun

Gee, thanks. You sure you don't wanna make syphillis "hip" again?

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Tue May 05, 2009 5:27 pm

Travis Morgan wrote:
Sixgun wrote:
Travis Morgan wrote:Why would you throw a joint of pipe out a wing window? LOL, I remember folks flicking their ashes out the wing, and how funny it was when embers would blow back in and get in their shirt collars! I'm from about the same generation(I'm 32) and remember when I found out that album covers and frisbees were actually used for things other that what I generally saw them used for; I remember tripping out potheads as a kid, because I could always find their "stash". It was ALWAYS right under the sofa!
Travis,
32? Your a spring chicken compared to me (54) and an embryo compared to Terry Murbach (147) My generation made pot (and other nasty drugs) "acceptable" to the young crowd.
Sixgun
Gee, thanks. You sure you don't wanna make syphillis "hip" again?

Heck, when we were young it was sex, drugs and rock and roll. Now drugs are bad, rock and roll is the music of the devil, and sex can kill you. As my sister says, our generation used up all the fun, except for small bits and we're are keeping for ourselves.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:58 pm

jeepnik wrote:
Heck, when we were young it was sex, drugs and rock and roll. Now drugs are bad, rock and roll is the music of the devil, and sex can kill you. As my sister says, our generation used up all the fun, except for small bits and we're are keeping for ourselves.

Jeepnik,
Yea, I remember all that! We DID use up all the fun. We never knew what a "Trojan" was.

--------------------Sixgun

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:55 pm

Wait a minute, I am 56, did I miss the train?

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Wed May 06, 2009 12:07 am

Old Ironsights,
One of the upcoming "projects" is to put my early fourties jeep under a Suzuki body, I am too old for the ( cold & wet ) dashing young man image.
Show up at a woman my age's house cold & wet and she wont let you in and chew your butt for being old & stupid!

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Wed May 06, 2009 2:06 am

mescalero1 wrote:Old Ironsights,
One of the upcoming "projects" is to put my early fourties jeep under a Suzuki body, I am too old for the ( cold & wet ) dashing young man image.
Show up at a woman my age's house cold & wet and she wont let you in and chew your butt for being old & stupid!

CHASE YOUNGER WOMEN ! ! !

"Faster Horses, Older Whiskey, More Money"!

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Wed May 06, 2009 11:23 am

I need some time to think on this one.