OT :Peeps on a bolt

[m.wun]

I have had this Savage 110 in 7mm Mag for some years now and its a real good shooter.Its has a Simmons
3.5-10 whitetail classic scope on it that I just cant seem too get the eye relief set just right.I like the length
of pull and I have to scoot up to the scope to see through it and cant adjust scope back anymore.I dont
want to spend money on a better scope for this rifle.I have been shooting the Rem.managed recoil loads
(140gr. @ 2700fps) and was thinking of iron or peep sights on the gun since i dont shoot out past 200 yards
anyway.I have seen peeps on older bolt guns before and they look good.

[Hobie]

Then do it.

[nemhed]

I've got a one piece scope base for my Savage which gives me more space and ring positions for scope adjustment (not to mention a more rigid design). If you've got the factory two piece bases, you can try swaping them end for end to get more wiggle room depending on how they are currently mounted. Finally, there are offset rings that will move the scope back more. Not trying to discourage you from mounting a peep sight if that's what you want but there are other options. I'm a huge Savage 10/110 fan, they deserve good scopes.

[Tycer]

Peeps are great!

Offset rings would cure your problem. If just one part of the scope blocks the aft movement then the Weaver #49060 Gloss or #49043 Matte would do the trick, or the 49061 Gloss or #49045 Matte Dual Extension if both the bell and the adjustment turret is hitting. The 110 has a really long action, this is a common problem with scopes that have only 3" of eye relief.

[Charles]

I started my hunting with bolt guns and peep sights. In the hands of rifleman they are all that is needed. A scope will buy you a little more hunting time at dawn and dusk, but that is about all. Please pay attention to the "in the hands of a rifleman" clause in the prior sentence. Riflemen are getting scarce these day, and if you are not one of them, for the sake of the game, use a scope.

[centershot]

m. wun,
most of my hunting rifles have peep sights, and I love them! If you're shooting under 200 yds, as you indicated, you're not going to have anu problem with a peep. It will take some practice to learn how to really use it, but it's worth it! Remember this;

Look THRU the hole (Do NOT try to center the front sight, your eye will do that automatically)

Focus your eye on the front sight

Put the front sight on the target

Squeeze

Have fun!



centershot

[Pete44ru]

Oh, YEAH !



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[m.wun]

Looks like I will check out the other rings first,I do have the one peice mount and tried the two peice
before.I do like scopes as I hunt from dark to dark.If they wont help me then peep shoping I will go.
Thanks for the info ,one way or the other it will be shootin..

[blackhawk44]

Several thoughts come to mind. First, different bases or extension rings to move the scope back. Second, a lower power scope, especially inside 250 yards. Think like a 1.5x6 or even a straight 4x or 6x. Any of these will have better eye relief than your 3.5x10 and way more than enough magnification for that range. If you do go with a peep, don't forget that the style of front sight can have a lot of influence on how you handle iron sights. Personally, I do my best work with a blade front sight. Beads don't offer any definition for either elevation or windage, no matter what color they are or how they glow. Groups with a blade are far tighter. My very favorite is the white striped XS ramped blade. I've been using them on my goto gun for seven years and I can stay out as late as the scope shooters, while 250 yard shots aren't a hesitation.

[nemhed]

I want to add a couple things to the discussion while we're on the subject. I'm sure there are plenty of people on this forum that are better shots that me, but a lot of you guys must really be able to see much better than me. Under most conditions a deer at 200 yards is just an indistinct shape to me. As they move against the background and lighting conditions change or improve, I would be able to make out their shape but most the time wouldn't be able to tell a lone buck from a lone doe. Deer really do blend in well to their environment whether standing in corn stubble, brush, or the woods. Now my 13 y.o. son definitely has better eyes than me and will spot deer before I do. I'm 43, don't wear glasses and usually consider my eyesight to be normal. I have had problems with the vision tests at the license branch. My eye doctor says my eyes are fine and that 10% of people who don't need corrective lenses have problems with those machines for some reason. All my hunting rifles wear 4x scopes with the exception of my coyote rifle which has a a 4-12x variable. I love the look and the idea of using peep sights (my 1895 Marlin wears one). I need to put a peep sight on one of my 22's and practice a lot with it. In the end though, I think I would have problems with a peep in most hunting conditions, animals seldom step out in broad daylight on a white background for me. I learned a long time ago that if I want to make a head shot on a squirrel with my 39A at 75 yards, I need a scope. My hat is off to all you sharp eyed shooters.

[Modoc ED]

It's a matter of practice and using a small set of binoculars too. Nothing wrong with toting a small set of binoculars to verify what you think your eyes have seen. A monocular works well too. I have one in 8X and it takes up very very little room and weighs next to nothing.

Also, just because you are using a peep/receiver signt doesn't mean you have to cover the deer's sweet spot with the front sight. Hold the top of the front sight just under the sweet spot much like the "six o'clock" hold.

Practice, practice, practice!!

[Hobie]

200 yards is about max hunting distance for me but I have shot, successfully, at 600 meters. Contrast between target, background and sights is necessary for me. 100 yards, no problem. I have scoped guns. I just don't used them often (yet).

[m.wun]

I know alot of folks here like peeps,I personaly havent shot with them other than old military rifles
and had very little clue how to properly use them.I have seen some great shots made by other people
with them and want to learn to shoot them,I just dont know if its the right gun for it.Just dont want
get rid of the gun cause of a improper scope.Guess I could take the scope off my 1894c and rig it
up with the XS set up....

[Pete44ru]

[had very little clue how to properly use them.]

The sight setup can vary, depending on what you want to shoot (at).

For targets, a fine bead front is usually used with a small ID aperture rear, for tighter groups.

For hunting, where shots may come suddenly and/or faster, a somewhat bolder front sight usually works better, as does removing the screw-in aperture and shooting with the resulting "ghost ring".

For either method, the shooter should NOT consiously try to center the front sight in to peep aperture/opening, and then place the front sight on target.

The peep should be simply looked THROUGH ( w/o seeing it ) at the front sight, and the front sight placed on target.

The human eye will naturally self-center the peep, sub-consiously.

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[m.wun]

Now that I think of it it would be just like my bow sights.Thanks for the tips, it think I will go shopping
this week possibly for my 1894c its a whole lot more fun to shoot than the bolt.That bolt feels more
like a tool than a extention of your body like the levers do...

[Meeteetse]

I know alot of folks here like peeps,I personaly havent shot with them other than old military rifles
and had very little clue how to properly use them.I have seen some great shots made by other people
with them and want to learn to shoot them,I just dont know if its the right gun for it.Just dont want
get rid of the gun cause of a improper scope.Guess I could take the scope off my 1894c and rig it
up with the XS set up....

If the set back on the scope is the problem, I suggest you do what I did. Invest in a scope designed for shotguns. Most of them have about 4"+ of eye relief. There are several on the market, but the best for the money I have found is the Cabella's model. I think it is called the Pine Ridge and you can get it in 2.5x7 for under a $100. They also have a lever gun scope that is more caliber specific but has up to 5 1/2" of eye relief. It solved a similar problem I had.

[Timothy]

A couple quick questions.

1. Whats the harm in attempting to center the peep site?

2. Do you have to replace the front site when you install a peep?

3. Does anyone offer a drop in peep set for savage, ruger, remington, or winchester bolt actions?

Thanks