OT: Ruger 10/22 - RESULTS

[86er]

I have a standard 10/22 that is around 20 years old. Regardless of the ammunition I use, including "Accurized" ammo, it groups a few shots into a nickel and then will throw one an inch right or low (or both). This is consistent whether I use a scope or open sights. I am shooting at 25 yards. I broke down and cleaned the gun thinking that may have something to do with it. Nope - still does it. It's very frustrating. Has anyone else experienced this problem? Does anyone know a cure? Thanks

[arjunky]

Have you noticed if it's the first or last shot
Quite a few auto's will throw the first shot.

Byron

[mescalero1]

86'r
Try removing the barrel band.

[AndyM]

86'r
Try removing the barrel band.

I agree - I removed the barrel band and purchased an aftermarket bull barrel. Mine is now a tack driver, once you start messing with these guns - it is hard to stop. Soon it will be a bolt buffer, new trigger sear, extended mag release, bolt carrier hold open peice, new stock, etc, etc... But they are fun to shoot...

[Modoc ED]

86'r
Try removing the barrel band.

To add to what "mescalero1" said, make sure the two bolts securing the barrel wedge to the receiver are good and tight.

[CEMENTHEAD]

To add to Modoc Ed's statement...not to exceed 35 in lbs on the wedge screws. Also try different torques on the stock to action screw. 25 in lbs, 27, 30, 32, 35, 38, 40...etc.. Also make sure the extractor cut and breech face is clean on the barrel and the bolt. Other than that, take the barrel band off and look for rubs on the wood and metal. It should be slightly loose like on leverguns. Is it first round or last round? If you plan to stay with the factory barrel, take it off, chuck it in the lathe and make sure the crown and breech faces are flat. I've seen several breech faces that were .020" out. You'll notice it when you spin it up. That's all I got. Thanks, Tom


P.S. I almost forgot, Try a new action spring (on the Operating Rod). If bad it will cause the bolt to rest on the breech with varying force.

[Blaine]

Please notice that 39s do not have any of these problems....

[86er]

I have done each and every thing suggested - now I just have to shoot it to see what happens. At that point I can also adjust the torque tension on the screws. I'd like to stay with the factory barrel and stock if it'll shoot. I did hit it with the lathe a hair so I'll let you know how it shoots this weekend. Thanks!

[Nath]

Sounds like my trapper thats just gone!
Hmmm.

Nath.

[Ysabel Kid]

I have done each and every thing suggested - now I just have to shoot it to see what happens. At that point I can also adjust the torque tension on the screws. I'd like to stay with the factory barrel and stock if it'll shoot. I did hit it with the lathe a hair so I'll let you know how it shoots this weekend. Thanks!

Looking forward to the update. Good luck Joe!

I have three - well, two - a standard and a target model, and my son has one. I've been lucky - never had this issue.

[86er]

After trying every remedy posted I fired 10 magazines of 10 rounds each. The group size improved for the bullets that stayed together but the fliers are still there. Same story every magazine - About 6 rounds into a penny and 3 an inch right or right and low. Does anyone need a 10/22 that shoots half assed?

[Rusty]

Joe I can always use a project.

I'll warn you though, whatever you do DO NOT GO TO THE RIMFIRE CENTRAL WEB SITE!!!

If you do you'll be hooked. I'm telling you now. 10/22 are more addicting than leverguns.

I started shooting benchrest matches with mine and I see a sickness coming on. I was doing fine until another guy at our range shot a perfect score. He shot a 250 12X out of 250. I was thinking that it took an Anschutz to do that.

From what I read, the flyers are related to the way the firing pin strikes most of the time. a lot of guys pin in the firing pin in place so it can't move around as much to cure this problem.

[dr walker]

Joe,
I have a 10/22 Carbine that was shooting with flyers as well. I ended up replacing the barrel banded stock with a Ruger Compact Rifle stock and replaced the barrel with a Green Mountain 16" sporter weight barrel. The trigger work I did myself. This rifle went from shooting 3-4" 50 yd groups to under 1 inch. It is still completely reliable. even though it has a short LOP12.5" and an over all length of 33.5" it is great shooting offhand or field positions. I use a fixed 4X Simmons scope. I am very happy I decided to keep it and fix it rather than unload it.

[O.S.O.K.]

Yeah - if you don't get it figured out, you can always put on an aftermarket stock/barrel. I did that with an old one that I bought used - put a hogue overmould stock and buttler creek graphite barrel on it - shoots like a house afire. Currently has a Nikon rf 4x scope on it.

Your shifting group has to be a bedding issue of some kind - the barrel's relationship to the contact points with the stock is changing. That, or your scope mount is loose - but it doesn't sound like it.

[Lefty Dude]

If you want accuracy a 10/22 is a poor choice and can be a money pit for sure. Not un-common for some to spend $1500.00 on getting a 10/22 to shoot as well as a bolt 22 rifle.

For about $500.00 you can get a nice CZ452 bolt gun that with very little work can be a tack driver at 100 yards.

I have a re-worked Remington 581 bolt action and it will shoot 1 1/2" groups with non-match ammo at 100 yards. At 50 yards they all go in the same hole. With match ammo it shoot's better than I can hold. My total cost including the BSA sweet 22 scope was $350.00. This included a new stock, glass & pillar bedded. Trigger re- worked with adjustments, the pull is now 12 ounces. I could have changed out the barrel, but prefer a sporter/hunter so the original barrel remains. With the bull barrel replacement, this would add an additional $150.00.
My 581 is now a 541T.

[Old Ironsights]

OK... this may sound stupid, but you say 6 into a penny then 3 fliers? Is this rapid (ish) fire or slow fire? You may be getting weird barrel heating/flexing. I understand that loosening/removing the barrel bands as mentioned was supposed to help, but you may be dealing more with a metallurgy issue & uneven heating than simple stretching/expansion.

Dunno.

Is it consistant between different magazines? Maybe the last 3 in the mag are getting deformed. You may want to look at that. Hand cycle a magazine and see if there is a difference between the first 6 & last 3.

[86er]

Tried two more mags just before dark. Shot 1, 2, 3 into a tight group. 4 an inch right. 5 just on top of 3. Shot 6 an inch right, just under 4. 7,8,9 into original group with 1-3. 10 and inch right and low.

Next mag. Shot 1 an inch right from point of aim. Shot 2-6 group. 7 an inch low and right. 8 in the group. 9 an inch right, 10 an inch low and right.

This is slow fire off a solid rest. 25 yards, no wind 54 degrees.

I don't have time or patience to mess with this. Anyone wanna make an offer and turn this into something useful?

[Old Ironsights]

That is weird... especially since it's so consistant...

[Lefty Dude]

If you want the fix, go over to :

http://www.rimfirecentral.com

Then check out the Ruger Forum, There you will find a thread on pillar/glass bedding a 10/22. Your problem is that single point stock to receiver screw. Your action is moving in the stock.