OT - Active Shooter school

[Rexster]

Whoo-eeee! What a wild ride that was! I just finished attending an "Active Shooter" school for police officers. The first day was classroom study and then role play with plastic dummy guns, then on day two we used Simunitions guns, which are made by Glock, and are dimensionally identical to the Glock 17/22 models. Training was conducted in actual school buildings. Very realistic!

I really cannot give details, as anyone, including the bad guys, can read this. It was not just the gunfighting part that was good; the whole philosophy of the instruction was a moving experience. Life is good.

EDITED to add: This has nothing to do with taking firearms from the public! Please, see my post further down the page before posting a knee-jerk response.

[Buffboy]

I went through one back in March as part of the academy training on building clearing, it was very informative. We used an old office building that was undergoing renovation. Those simunitions sting quite a bit and give a real memorable lesson for when you screw up. The training was fun, the real thing would be quite a bit less so.

[Andrew]

That sounds pretty cool. I wonder if Simunitions has one for my Blackhawk?

[Rexster]

"Sim" rounds are made so that the sim guns cannot chamber live ammo, which probably means a unique case head size and such. The primers are real, though if they are identical to real primers, I cannot say.

FWIW, I took three hits on areas covered by body armor, colored to indicate they came from bad guys' guns. One hit to my left shoulder, from the rear, was colored to indicate it came from a fellow officer's gun. I don't have a welt there, so it may have hit body armor, too, or may be splash from ricochet. Of course, with real ammo, my body armor only stops handgun rounds, up to a certain level, and terrs may well use rifles.

[86er]

Technically, Simunitions is a company in Connecticut. Their guns and ammunition are not called Simunition, but the term is used throughout the law enforcement community incorrectly. Simunitions makes FX marking cartridges, and Glock (and others) makes FX cartridge conversions and FX cartridge firing guns. Simunitions also make DEADLY ammunition, such as CQT cartridges and Bio cartridges. So calling the guns or cartridges "SImunitions" or referring to the training as "Simunitions" is technically incorrect. Oh - and two other companies make marking cartridges too, one requires their own conversions or designatged guns and the other's marking cartridges will work in those guns set up for FX marking cartridges.

[Old Ironsights]

I wish one of the local departments would tap me for setting up one of these things.

When I did a scenerio for our EOD unit, I had the distinction of being the only IED maker evil enough to "kill" everyone who tried to do anything but use a BMG to disable my toys...

They learned a lot that day. (ask them about flipflops & photocells... )

[Modoc ED]

Rexter said:

Whoo-eeee! What a wild ride that was! I just finished attending an "Active Shooter" school for police officers. The first day was classroom study and then role play with plastic dummy guns, then on day two we used Simunitions guns, which are made by Glock, and are dimensionally identical to the Glock 17/22 models. Training was conducted in actual school buildings. Very realistic!

I really cannot give details, as anyone, including the bad guys, can read this. It was not just the gunfighting part that was good; the whole philosophy of the instruction was a moving experience. Life is good.

Buffboy said:

I went through one back in March as part of the academy training on building clearing, it was very informative. We used an old office building that was undergoing renovation. Those simunitions sting quite a bit and give a real memorable lesson for when you screw up. The training was fun, the real thing would be quite a bit less so.

Is that part of the training y'all are getting to go door-to-door to confiscate firearms from law abiding citizens after Obama gets in and the Dems pass their draconian gun laws?

[Old Ironsights]

...Is that part of the training y'all are getting to go door-to-door to confiscate firearms from law abiding citizens after Obama gets in and the Dems pass their draconian gun laws?

Modoc... They are NOT going to do that. We still have too many guns, too much ammo, and too many ready & willing to mobilize to that Constitutional Crisis.

He has to bankrupt the shooting sports industry & ranges with no-vote administrative rules first and let us wear down our stockpiles/die of old age first.

Once Firearms & ammo are the perview of the elite, then the One Party State can politely ask to have them kept at EPA Compliant Party Shooting Sports Centers...

[Modoc ED]

Not to be impolite, smart-butt, discourtious, etc. but if you truly believe that, you've got your head stuck up where the sun don't shine.

If their bosses give them the word to go out and start confiscating guns the cops will fall in line in a heart-beat just as the cops did in New Orleans, LA after Katrina when the New Orleans Mayor and Chief of Police gave orders for the police to confiscate all guns.

It'll be interesting to see how many cops will resign their jobs rather than carry our an order like that.

[Old Ironsights]

Not to be impolite, smart-butt, discourtious, etc. but if you truly believe that, you've got your head stuck up where the sun don't shine...

Could be. But I have a bad habit of thinking like a Politician, and the LAST thing a politician wants to do is foment insurrection.

The One Party System learned their lesson in 1994. Keep RKBA issues OFF the table. There are other more "palatable" (to the general/Fudd public) ways of getting the job done.

If you doubt me, talk to a KGB guy sometime. That is why they infiltrated the Schools & Media rather than actually taking direct action against us... and the result was evident on Nov 4.

Success through subtrefuge.

[Rexster]

Guys, this training has nothing to do with confiscating guns! If/when that ever happens, the SWAT and ninja-suit types will be doing it. This is about the guys with blue shirts and shiny badges praying to the Lord to make us fast and accurate, and that this day is a good day to die, if it means our children live another day.

"Active shooter" means a person, or persons, are engaged in a homicide in progress. Luby's. Columbine. Virginia Tech. Active Shooter training entails plain street cops doing the best they (we) can with what they (we) have to stop the killing, using the tools we have at hand. Yes, it means we are likely to die trying, but by working together with a basic plan, we have a better chance of stopping the killing than by rushing in with no plan. .

Yes, it means using our mundane weapons against AK rifles and other heavy weapons.

This is still Texas. Tejas. Texas. Get online and check our current Penal Code; I will leave it at that. Armed citizens are a given, not an anomaly.

I cannot say more, because some of what we were taught just perhaps may not be known to certain non-friendly entities. To be more exact, they probably know the material and theories, but may not know exactly how much we know. And, I wouldn't doubt that some terrs may have the electronic capability to know exactly who I am, and there is no point in making my employer's polices and procedures known to them.

Let's please not bring the forbidden P-word into this. This is about saving our kids, from imminent harm, OK?

[Rexster]

Technically, Simunitions is a company in Connecticut. Their guns and ammunition are not called Simunition, but the term is used throughout the law enforcement community incorrectly. Simunitions makes FX marking cartridges, and Glock (and others) makes FX cartridge conversions and FX cartridge firing guns. Simunitions also make DEADLY ammunition, such as CQT cartridges and Bio cartridges. So calling the guns or cartridges "SImunitions" or referring to the training as "Simunitions" is technically incorrect. Oh - and two other companies make marking cartridges too, one requires their own conversions or designatged guns and the other's marking cartridges will work in those guns set up for FX marking cartridges.

OK, I stand corrected on the use of the word "Simunition." We did not handle the ammo ourselves, except as a pre-loaded weapon and spare magazine, handed to us in the moments before each exercise. I only caught brief, distant glimpses of the boxes, and do remember seeing "FX" on them. I had also used these weapons in a private citizen-oriented class a few years back, but that class was not geared toward fighting inside structures, but for fighting at contact distance.

Really, the term "Simunition" was not much used in either class. "Sim" or "sim gun," and "soap pellet" were the terms actually verbalized.