OT - Virginia Flintlocks

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OT - Virginia Flintlocks

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A friend invited me to go with him today to a small get together in Ruther Glenn Virginia !

Seems a gunsmith by the name of Al Edge was having a little get together to bless his new shop or more correctly the new addition to his original shop !

Al is a maker of fine rifles in the Virginia style from 1740-1840 .

Now I'm not totally new to this as we have had original Pennsylvania rifles and Civil War muskets for many many years .

But to be honest I had NEVER fired a Kentucky type rifle or flintlock in my life !

That changed slightly today as I was given the oppurtunity to shoot a nice Virgina style rifle or two ! And of course they were all flintlock !

Incidently you can get a better idea of what I speak at ; www.aledge.com

We got there today about noon and they were having the blessing when we arrived !

After that was done a big lunch was ready and waiting for all who came ! There were maybe 30 folks total . Some were past and present customers while 3 or 4 others were also craftsman as well ! Another young man from close by who also builds rifles in the early Virginia style was there . Also a master engraver or two were there .

To be honest this was the most gunmaking talent I had ever been around at one time in my entire 47 year life !

And like a dummy I had my digi cam in the truck and failed to take pictures being more involved in shooting and talking ! Sometimes I just don't get my priorities straight :wink:

I can see a need in the somewhat near future for a 1740-1840 Virginia style rifle 8)

And by the way . Not a whole lot was said about this but Al also makes some fine Hawken style rifles !
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A well tuned flintlock rifle is a thing of beauty. They are also much faster than people would have you believe. There is no click swish boom. That is for the not so tuned rifles that are not put together well. In fact a well tuned flinter can be faster than a run of the mill cap gun.
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6pt,

Was there a man there by the name of Mark Thomas? Looks a little like Santa Claus but with a bigger beard? He is a blacksmith/silversmith/engraver/flintlock rifle maker that apparently makes some pretty amazing things. Anyways, he is my neighbor and a very nice guy.

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6pt,

Was there a man there by the name of Mark Thomas? Looks a little like Santa Claus but with a bigger beard? He is a blacksmith/silversmith/engraver/flintlock rifle maker that apparently makes some pretty amazing things. Anyways, he is my neighbor and a very nice guy. We live west of Dayton VA at the bottom of the mountain.

http://www.longrifle.com/artisans/artis ... rsonly=yes

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FLINT wrote:6pt,

Was there a man there by the name of Mark Thomas?
Was this guy originally from Ohio and lives in the Richmond Virginia area now ? Also was this guy in the navy for a few years back in the 60's or 70's I think ?

If so there was a guy there I talked with who fits your description . I talked with him for about an hour but I did not know his name !
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As you both know, the Contemporary Longrifle Association is headquartered right here in Staunton. It is upstairs from Wilderness Adventures so you can get a whatever if Gordon isn't in.
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6pt-sika wrote:
FLINT wrote:6pt,

Was there a man there by the name of Mark Thomas?
Was this guy originally from Ohio and lives in the Richmond Virginia area now ? Also was this guy in the navy for a few years back in the 60's or 70's I think ?

If so there was a guy there I talked with who fits your description . I talked with him for about an hour but I did not know his name !
That sounds more like Ken Hurst, master engraver.
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marlinman93 wrote:
6pt-sika wrote:
FLINT wrote:6pt,

Was there a man there by the name of Mark Thomas?
Was this guy originally from Ohio and lives in the Richmond Virginia area now ? Also was this guy in the navy for a few years back in the 60's or 70's I think ?

If so there was a guy there I talked with who fits your description . I talked with him for about an hour but I did not know his name !
That sounds more like Ken Hurst, master engraver.
I know Ken Hurst wasn't there ! I was talking with another guy named J.J. Roberts from Manassas Virginia who is also a firerams engraver and we were dicussing Mr. Hurst's work ! Seems J.J. and Ken Hurst are buddies or something like that !
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Speaking of Ken Hurst . I was at my gun clubs registerred skeet shoot labor day weekend and there was a fellow there with what looked to be an original "Gold Crown" grade Krieghoff 32 and in reality it was a standard grade gun that this man had Ken Hurst engrave and gold inlay for him almost 20 years ago !

And let me tell ya it was a thing of beauty !
But then I have a thing for Krieghoff K32's and K80's anyway :wink:
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Craig, my Va style "gun" is a smooth bore and has a 48" barrel. It will surprise you how accurate a round ball is even without rifling or a rear sight. Make the pilgrimage to Roaonoke sometime. We are still having the Levergunz.com shoot this coming Satruday. Later, moodyholler
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Well I took the first step about this flintlock longrifle thing :!:

Called "Track of the Wolf" and ordered there catalog along with a book entitled "Gunsmiths of VIrginia" by James Biser Whisker ! Seems he has written something of a set of books about longrifles in variouse states or areas of the United States !

He also has a book for West Virginia and another for North Carolina that I may very well have to have !

This first book is very informative as to who were the better known smiths of the time and there area of operations ! The book also has quite a few very good pictures of actual period rifles ! And if I can see it that helps me ever so much !
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I might add I also joined the National Muzzle Loading Rifle Association !

There is a distinct possiblity that I may put on or try to put on a match or two next season here at PSC !

But of course "traditional" firearms only ! Flint or percussion ! Patched roundballs only !

So with those stipulations the amount of intrest I get will most likely be slim :!:
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I highly recommend Jack Garner's Tennessee Valley Manufacturing: He offers a great kit with everything you might need for a Virginia rifle and he is very personable to work with. He is based out of Memphis, TN. I got his early Lancaster kit several years ago with semi-fancy wood for about 400 bucks, turned it over to a reputable builder who charged me 465.00 to finish is out. It is a thing of beauty and I will post pics here shortly. Here's his website:

http://www.tennesseevalleymanufacturing.com/
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Correction...he is out of Corinth, MS. If you want a truly fine lock I would look at Jim Chambers, who also is noted for his fine kits and finished rifles. http://www.flintlocks.com/
Also, +1 on joining the NMLRA. You will also get "muzzle blasts" which is full of well researched history of firearms and our forefathers who used them so effectively.

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btt...sorry for the bad pic above. I need to get better at this photo stuff!
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My smooth rifle with 48" barrel, made by Jim Wheeler of Salem,Va. Hope this picture works out. moodyholler (It's the one in the center)
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Moody , nice pic !

By any chance are you coming to Winchester saturday ?

I'm taking the gentleman that got me intrested in this stuff up to the North South Skirmish thing .

Plan on being there about noon I think !

Let me know if by chance you will be there and we can meet :wink:
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