POLITIKS: call 'em because

[Grizz]

"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."

HERE ARE THE NUMBERS TO CALL:

white house bitch line: 202-456-1111
senate bitch line: 800-417-xxxx

CALL 'EM
CALL 'EM OFTEN
CALL 'EM OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN

THEY ARE RIPPING OFF THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY WHO ACTUALLY WORK, PAY TAXES, AND MAKE THEIR MORTGAGE PAYMENTS.

AND THIS IS THE ACTUAL WORDING OF THE ACT THAT RIPS OFF YOU, YOUR CHILDREN, AND YOUR GRANDCHILDREN, AND MAKES YOU SLAVES TO YOUR GOVERNMENT AS SURELY AS IF YOU LIVED IN NORTH KOREA.. !!!!

sorry, that 800# is wrong, I'm looking

[Hobie]

Will do.

[Old Ironsights]

I'd rather use a Neutron Tactical...

[J Miller]

I've missed something somewhere, what agency are we talking about?

Joe

[Blaine]

I've missed something somewhere, what agency are we talking about?

Joe

The Treasurery....... As presently worded, there is no oversight of them spending any or all of the nearly ONE TRILLION dollars.....

Personally, I worked hard all my life and took pride paying my bills on time. There were times I could have got food stamps and help, but I would be starving before I did that. And now, because of The Congressional policy of Outcome Based Lending so EVERYONE can have a home even if they can't afford it, My hard working azz is on the line for thousands of personal dollars to pull some CEO's butt out of the fire so he can continue makeing his millions a year for being stupid. They are even talking about assuming some college loans and credit card debt........ Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm so upset that I'm nearly stroking out over this BScat. Rant off.

[Modoc ED]

Ya just can't blame the Mortgage Companies. The stupid home owners that signed on the dotted line for mortages that they knew they couldn't afford in the long run have just as much blame to shoulder as the Mortgage Company boffoons.

I've already let my district Congressman know that I think they should let Fanny and Freddie fail.

[bunklocoempire]

Call & write, but most importantly, understand the real problem.

e-mail your rep. form letters, the whole package. http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/


Understand the problem. Give the guy some credit, he's been predicting this deliberate slide from Sovereignty for years. He's getting more air time now than primary season, go figure.

Letter from Ron: Time is running out
September 24th, 2008 by Ron Paul
Dear Friends,
Whenever a Great Bipartisan Consensus is announced, and a compliant media assures everyone that the wondrous actions of our wise leaders are being taken for our own good, you can know with absolute certainty that disaster is about to strike.

The events of the past week are no exception.

The bailout package that is about to be rammed down Congress’ throat is not just economically foolish. It is downright sinister. It makes a mockery of our Constitution, which our leaders should never again bother pretending is still in effect. It promises the American people a never-ending nightmare of ever-greater debt liabilities they will have to shoulder. Two weeks ago, financial analyst Jim Rogers said the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made America more communist than China! “This is welfare for the rich,” he said. “This is socialism for the rich. It’s bailing out the financiers, the banks, the Wall Streeters.”

That describes the current bailout package to a T. And we’re being told it’s unavoidable.

The claim that the market caused all this is so staggeringly foolish that only politicians and the media could pretend to believe it. But that has become the conventional wisdom, with the desired result that those responsible for the credit bubble and its predictable consequences - predictable, that is, to those who understand sound, Austrian economics - are being let off the hook. The Federal Reserve System is actually positioning itself as the savior, rather than the culprit, in this mess!
• The Treasury Secretary is authorized to purchase up to $700 billion in mortgage-related assets at any one time. That means $700 billion is only the very beginning of what will hit us.

• Financial institutions are “designated as financial agents of the Government.” This is the New Deal to end all New Deals.

• Then there’s this: “Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency.“ Translation: the Secretary can buy up whatever junk debt he wants to, burden the American people with it, and be subject to no one in the process.

There goes your country.

Even some so-called free-market economists are calling all this “sadly necessary.” Sad, yes. Necessary? Don’t make me laugh.

Our one-party system is complicit in yet another crime against the American people. The two major party candidates for president themselves initially indicated their strong support for bailouts of this kind - another example of the big choice we’re supposedly presented with this November: yes or yes. Now, with a backlash brewing, they’re not quite sure what their views are. A sad display, really.

Although the present bailout package is almost certainly not the end of the political atrocities we’ll witness in connection with the crisis, time is short. Congress may vote as soon as tomorrow. With a Rasmussen poll finding support for the bailout at an anemic seven percent, some members of Congress are afraid to vote for it. Call them! Let them hear from you! Tell them you will never vote for anyone who supports this atrocity.

The issue boils down to this: do we care about freedom? Do we care about responsibility and accountability? Do we care that our government and media have been bought and paid for? Do we care that average Americans are about to be looted in order to subsidize the fattest of cats on Wall Street and in government? Do we care?

When the chips are down, will we stand up and fight, even if it means standing up against every stripe of fashionable opinion in politics and the media?

Times like these have a way of telling us what kind of a people we are, and what kind of country we shall be.

In liberty,

Ron Paul

Bunkloco

[PaperPatch]

We are heading towards Fascism...if not there already. For educational reading on matters of the United States econmomy, and very recent events...read this:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north654.html

[J Miller]

Blaine,

Thanks for clearing that up.

I thought I was just constipated, but now I find that the feeling was me (us) being royally SCREWED.

Joe

[Grizz]

Sorry guys, I posted an incorrect number, I'm sure you're aware by now.

Scroll down this page to get individual senator's phone numbers:

http://www.theorator.com/senate.html

Scroll down this page to get congressmen's phone numbers:

http://www.theorator.com/government/house.html

I guess after Americans caught the amnesty scammers with their pants down they don't have a comment line. I didn't see the switchboard number, that would be a good one to call, asking for a public comment line.

[Hobie]

Ya just can't blame the Mortgage Companies. The stupid home owners that signed on the dotted line for mortages that they knew they couldn't afford in the long run have just as much blame to shoulder as the Mortgage Company boffoons.

I've already let my district Congressman know that I think they should let Fanny and Freddie fail.

They weren't stupid, just farsighted! Yeah, 'cause there are Congress critters who want ME (and you) to pay their bill for them. I'm with Blaine and not just 'cause I've already paid off 3 mortgages on E-5 to E-7 pay. You can buy a house you can afford but many are buying MORE house than they can afford. Heck there's one congresswoman from CA who is among those who defaulted.

[Grizz]

So when you call 'em up, I suggest the following talking point:

Hello, I'm calling as a member of the FIFTY-MILLION MORTGAGE BOYCOTT. I've pledged to stop making payments on my mortgage and my credit cards and my loans if the bailout swindle is signed into law. There's FIFTY MILLION of us, we're madder than you are, and we're not going to take it from you politicians any more. You may quote me on that.

How on that? Anyone ready to try it?

[bunklocoempire]

We are heading towards Fascism...if not there already. For educational reading on matters of the United States econmomy, and very recent events...read this:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north654.html

Good read.

Keep calling: http://www.theorator.com/senate.html http://www.theorator.com/government/house.html

Keep writing: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/


Screwed? Indeed. By all three, Repubs, Dems and the Federal Reserve.

And a little more understanding... Did we all notice oil prices jump on news of an impending $700 billion bail-out?

Two main reasons, investors buying oil due to a possible $700 billion devalueation of the dollar -running away from the dollar, and the other investors thinking $700 billion would bolster the economy and folks would drive more. Fix the dollar and end the Federal Reserve, "de-bubble-ize" energy.

The GOP platform concerning the economy: http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/Economy.htm
Excerpts:
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Expanding Opportunity to Promote Prosperity

America’s free (*it aint free) economy has given our country the world’s highest standard of living and allows us to share our prosperity with the rest of humanity. (you wanna share your prosperity with the banks of the world?) It is an engine of charity, empowering everything from Sabbath collection plate to great endowments. It creates opportunity, rewards self-reliance and hard work, and unleashes productive energies that other societies can only imagine.

Today, our economy faces challenges due to high energy costs.

The most important distinction between Republicans and the leadership of today’s Democratic Party concerning taxes is not just that we believe you should keep more of what you earn. That’s true, but there is a more fundamental distinction. It concerns the purpose of taxation. We believe government should tax only to raise money for its essential functions. (is the Federal Reserve government? No.)

Today’s Democratic Party views the tax code as a tool for social engineering. They use it to control our behavior, steer our choices, and change the way we live our lives. The Republican Party will put a stop to both social engineering and corporate handouts by simplifying tax policy, eliminating special deals, and putting those saved dollars back into the taxpayers’ pockets.
*
We'll see about that one.

Have either McCain or Obama mentioned the Federal Reserve? They won't.

Bunkloco

[Old Ironsights]

So when you call 'em up, I suggest the following talking point:

Hello, I'm calling as a member of the FIFTY-MILLION MORTGAGE BOYCOTT. I've pledged to stop making payments on my mortgage and my credit cards and my loans if the bailout swindle is signed into law. There's FIFTY MILLION of us, we're madder than you are, and we're not going to take it from you politicians any more. You may quote me on that.

How on that? Anyone ready to try it?

More than likely be forced to in short order when the whole thing tanks anyway.

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Dear Muggee,

The White House is trying to ram through an unsound bailout for the fat cats on Wall Street that could cost at least $1 trillion of your money.

That’s right, thousands of your hard earned dollars will go to make sure that private businesses stay liquid, and can continue making risky, irresponsible loans.

Meanwhile, who is being held accountable?

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were bailed-out, and were allowed to continue with the taxpayer-funded safety net that encourages irresponsible lending. Barack Obama and John McCain refused to stand up against the bailouts while Libertarian Presidential Candidate Bob Barr said that this is a “Bailout from Hell!”

It’s time to stop this madness!

The White House has given up on the free market, so it’s up to us, the citizens, to try and defend it.

Call your congressman immediately to oppose the bailout. Don’t let the greedy business interests privatize the profits and socialize the risks. Do it, before it’s too late!

"A vote for this bailout package, in whatever form it comes in, is a vote against the American taxpayer, and a vote against the free market," Barr says.

Congressional Contact Info: http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/

Calling etiquette tips: http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/communicating.htm

[AJMD429]

Unfortunately the Republicans KNOW they won't get elected if they don't promise the 7/8ths of the nation who don't work and want handouts that they'll continue to get them. They (unlike the 'unelectable' Libertarians) don't have the gonads to point out that the guvmint caused the problems and more guvmint action won't fix them.

So, we either get Obama or 'Obama lite'

[bunklocoempire]

Unfortunately the Republicans KNOW they won't get elected if they don't promise the 7/8ths of the nation who don't work and want handouts that they'll continue to get them. They (unlike the 'unelectable' Libertarians) don't have the gonads to point out that the guvmint caused the problems and more guvmint action won't fix them.

So, we either get Obama or 'Obama lite'

The Republicans would have to point to themselves along with Democrats and the Federal Reserve, we know that won't happen, better to simply point at each other and "Wall Street" etc. smoke & mirrors.

Obama or "Obama lite" and the very real possibility of hyper-inflation both parties are courting, which in my opinion trumps any argument about "tax policies".

Looks good for Obama unless there happens to be a "security scare", Israel starts after Iran etc..




Bunkloco

[PaulB]

Ya just can't blame the Mortgage Companies.

Well, I can. Just because some no-account wants a mortgage, doesn't mean a bank has to give it to them.

Woops, correction. The government, in its wisdom, detected "discrimination" in lending practices, so they have been regulating banks for years to "prevent" this, forcing them to make bad loans (some bad loans, if not all of them). Like any major industry, they are regulated to the hilt. There is no free market at that level; instead, what we have is ecenomic fascism. Otherwise known as crony capitalism. This bailout is crony capitalism in spades.

The only free market left in this country is small time stuff, like when you trade some eggs your chickens laid to your neighbor for some vegetables. Republican politicians have been praising free trade for years, but they are lying; they don't mean it. Recall the first depression was the creation of Herbert Hoover, with too much regulation and too many taxes.

[Old Ironsights]

... There is no free market at that level; instead, what we have is ecenomic fascism. Otherwise known as crony capitalism. This bailout is crony capitalism in spades...

The actual term is "Mercantilisim" and has existed since the destruction of economic freedom with the introduction of the Whiskey Tax in the 1790s.

[Ysabel Kid]

If I were to rank the blame here it would be:

The Federal Government
Individual borrowers
Real Estate agents & brokers
Mortgage Companies
Financial Institutions

No where on the list are the hard-working honest folks who take pride in their credit, pay their bills, pay their mortgage and pay their taxes - yet we will be the ones with the bill for the stupid, the lazy and the greedy - AS ALWAYS!

Problem is, if the Fed doesn't do anything to "fix" the problem they started and helped foster then we will still take it in the shorts - through the reduction of the value of our homes (usually the largest investment most people have) and the value of our retirement accounts (usually the second largest investment, depending on one's age). Even those with excellent credit who have never over-brought, who have always paid on time, and who haven't caused one iota of this mess will see the destruction of their hard work.

This sucks...

[Grizz]

Problem is, if the Fed doesn't do anything to "fix" the problem they started and helped foster then we will still take it in the shorts - through the reduction of the value of our homes (usually the largest investment most people have) and the value of our retirement accounts (usually the second largest investment, depending on one's age).

I don't think this is really true. Have you heard what Gingrich has to say about it? He says money and credit will flow if the capital gains tax is reduced to zero. You know, like china and singapore.

Also, remember the post about ten million jobs? If we just go after our own energy supplies there will be millions of new jobs, and when we use our own energy resources we will halt the seven hundred billion dollar transfer of wealth to the jihadis, AND we'll keep it here in America, AND we will increase America's wealth exponentially, rather than bleeding it off to the foreigners, AND the dollar will be king of currencies.

It's just a matter of the will to do the right thing. The "bailout" scam is a shameful ripoff of the last bit of individual wealth in America.

Everything LESS is UNACCEPTABLE.