Rebounding Hammer removed, what a difference!

[Slick13]

Collected the parts I needed (thanks again Tcyer) and last night swapped the rebounding hammer out of my 2005 .25-35 Model 94 carbine. No problem at all making the swap, except I had to remove part of the tang safety. There's an arm that runs along the slot the hammer sticks out off. The arm would stick way out into the slot on safe, and a small part of it would stick out on ready. Not a problem with the original factory hammer, because part of the hammer had been hollowed out. With the old style solid half cock hammer, that safety arm had to come out completely because it was in the way. Took the file and filed a notch most of the way through it, then it snapped off.

Now that the old style half cock is in there, along with the Wolff 13 lbs spring, man what a difference. Trigger pull dropped from over 6 lbs to down between 2 and 2 1/2 lbs (almost too light, and the hammer goes from half cock to full very easy). I took the rifle to a friends house to measure the trigger pull, and he said "It blows my mind how much that changed". He'd though the trigger was beyond bad with the the rebound in there, and he honestly didn't think changing parts was going to fix it. "Trust me" I kept telling him.

Won't have time to hit the range this weekend. Probably won't make it there until Tuesday. Anxious to make sure everything is working fine, and see if I can shoot any better now. If the trigger winds up feeling too light, I've got a 15 lb Wolff spring I can put in and I figure that will make the pull a pound or so heavier. With the rebounding hammer I was forced to use Federal primers in my reloads. They weren't bad, but I'll be interested to see how Winchester and CCIs work now.

~Michael

[Rusty]

Congratulations!!

Engineering as John Browning made it.

[J Miller]

Yep, I did that to my 94 AE way back in about 95 or 96. Never looked back. That rebounding hammer action is an abomination that should never have been.

I may have to try that lighter hammer spring idea on my new ( older ) lower tang.

Joe

[Blaine]

My USRAC 1886 needs that done badly and the 1895 405 needs the same....how can they charge so much for a beautiful tool and not put a trigger in them????

[Tycer]

Excellent! Looking forward to hearing how the Wolff springs ignite CCI primers.

[Griff]

Congrats. It is an awesome fix to a fix for a non-existent problem.

[J Miller]

I wonder if Browning/Winchester and Marlin read these posts?
And if they do, I wonder what they think when they read about us unfixing their fixes for the non-existent problems?
Then I ask myself if I really care what they think? And the answer always comes back ... NO!


Joe

[O.S.O.K.]

[Slick13]

I wonder if Browning/Winchester and Marlin read these posts?
And if they do, I wonder what they think when they read about us unfixing their fixes for the non-existent problems?
Then I ask myself if I really care what they think? And the answer always comes back ... NO!

Joe

I was thinking the same thing.... I wonder if they realize how many guys are backdating their guns? I bet you there are some shooters at Winchester and they realize how terrible the rebounding hammer is. But the higher ups are going to do their thing, and don't care about what the guys further down the ladder at their company, or their customers, think.

~Michael

[Ysabel Kid]

Very cool. Looking forward to the range report after you've had a chance to test her out!

[.45colt]

I think it's been five years since I changed my 94 back to original. I cannot help but think that the people running USRAC spent all their free time playing golf. none of them ever seriously shot one of the rebounders. the trigger on mine out of the box was so heavy I thought it was broken. never again.

[donw]

didn't all the 'rebounding hammer' have something to do with legislation of some sort?

[J Miller]

didn't all the 'rebounding hammer' have something to do with legislation of some sort?

Nope. Just lawyers that thought they were gun designers that could improve a 100+ yo design.

Joe

[O.S.O.K.]

I've got one 94 AE with the bounder -it's trigger isn't bad. Not light as a feather, but not bad...

[Leverluver]

If you asked the manufacturer, they would give a good scolding for the modification but, in private, I bet they happier than a pig in poop. Any unintentional discharge of any sort and they are completely off the hook. No court in the land would hold them responsible for an intentionally modified safety system. Consider long and hard before you ever sell any such modified weapon. If the next guy (or the next after him) does a stupid deed, you're the one they will come looking for. Several of mine are modified but all can be returned to factory specs.

[BenT]

That's why I didn't buy a 94 in 444. I couldn't get past paying $550 and having to modify the trigger assembly. When I could get a used Marlin 444 alot cheaper and have a good trigger.

By the way I got misfires with the 13 lb spring , I had to use the 15 lb. Changing to the 15 lb spring alone dropped my trigger pull by about 1 1/4 lbs.

[Slick13]

That's why I didn't buy a 94 in 444. I couldn't get past paying $550 and having to modify the trigger assembly. When I could get a used Marlin 444 alot cheaper and have a good trigger.

By the way I got misfires with the 13 lb spring , I had to use the 15 lb. Changing to the 15 lb spring alone dropped my trigger pull by about 1 1/4 lbs.

I've had the 13lb trigger in there a couple years with the rebounding hammer, and had zero problems with Federal primers. Haven't reloaded with Winchester primers, but with factory ammo I'd have one or two a box that wouldn't go off. I've tried reloading with CCI primers, half wouldn't go off. I expect things to improve with Win and CCI primed ammo, but it still may not be as reliable as Federal with that light spring.

Leverluver, I'm aware my modifications make the gun unsafe to sell, and that's fine with me. It's my first lever, and the first cartridge I ever reloaded for. I intend to have that rifle with me until I die.

~Michael

[Leverluver]

Mine will be buried with me too Too bad one has to always be looking for lawyers sneaking up from behind them.