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POLITICS: Anti-RKBA argument stopper...

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I have always argued that Sidearms are "Dry Land Life Preservers". Here is what the USCG has to say about PFDs:
Federal Requirements and Safety Tips for Recreational Boats

Personal Flotation Devices (PFD)

All recreational boats must carry one wearable PFD (Type I, II, III or Type V PFD) for each person aboard. ...

Wearable PFDs must be readily accessible.
You must be able to put them on in a reasonable amount of time in an emergency (vessel sinking, on fire, etc.).
They should not be stowed in plastic bags, in locked or closed compartments or have other gear stowed on top of them.
The best PFD is the one you will wear.
Though not required, a PFD should be worn at all times when the vessel is underway. A wearable PFD can save your life, but only if you wear it. [/b]
Throwable devices must be immediately available for use. ...
Now, remember, this is FEDERAL LAW - and equally aplicable to CCW.

However, when I bring up this comparison, some of the more vehement anti-gun types try to counter with "Yeah, but you can't kill anyone with a PFD".

Which is true.

The answer to that is simple and shuts them up pretty fast...

"No, you can't kill anyone with a PFD - at least not easily. That is why, unlike PFDs, carrying a Firearm for Life Preservation is not Mandatory. If you feel you can't be in possession of a firearm without shooting small children willy-nilly then you don't have to carry one. ..." :twisted:

Google "Raging against Self Defense"... Make THEM feel like the bad guy for NOT carrying a gun. :twisted:
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That is pretty neat. That set of rules goes along with every set I've ever read about CCW. I don't run into very many anti's around here, and when I do they are almost always a female. Other than my wife and my mother, I guve up on arguing with the females in very short order; it saves one from an inevitable ending.
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OI,

Was it you that started the topic on the article "Raging Against Self Defense:
A Psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality"?

I don't remember who it was but it was an excellent read.

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Andrew wrote:That is pretty neat. That set of rules goes along with every set I've ever read about CCW. I don't run into very many anti's around here, and when I do they are almost always a female. Other than my wife and my mother, I guve up on arguing with the females in very short order; it saves one from an inevitable ending.
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Blackhawk wrote:OI,

Was it you that started the topic on the article "Raging Against Self Defense:
A Psychiatrist Examines The Anti-Gun Mentality"?

I don't remember who it was but it was an excellent read.

Johnny
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That I must say was a must read for me. I wish I would have read it before going and talking to my antigun senator. I would have shared a copy with him. Not that it would have changed his mind but it might has least given me some statisfaction knowing it got under his skin. :twisted: I know thats not the direction to take but...

I saved the pdf format to my PC and am going to print out a few copies for people I know.

My wife is a therapist and has spoken along the very same lines about this topic. I am going to give a copy to her, she will love it.

Thanks for the great material.

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As much as I love my sister I was compelled to ask her a tough question. We were at a restaurant with a large group of family. Gun control came up (Heller). My sister is opposed to firearm ownership.

Given:
Evil exists in the world and bad guys have guns.
It is unrealistic to get all of the guns out of the hands of bad guys, no matter how hard you try. If a bad guy wants a gun, he'll get one.
Sometimes bad guys with guns do bad things.

If (and it's a big if, but it happens) a bad guy came in here right now and wanted everyone's money and then decided money wasn't enough and decided to start shooting people,

Would you want to have a gun? Would you want me to have a gun? To stop a bad guy from killing mom and dad?

She got real quiet. "I don't know if I could kill someone," she said.

I told her two things: One: The bad guy knows that he can kill you. And everyone with you.
Two: If you are ever around me and you hear shooting, find me and get behind me, because I will be shooting back. Not just to protect myself, but to protect you, too.

Think about it.


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pharmseller wrote:As much as I love my sister I was compelled to ask her a tough question. We were at a restaurant with a large group of family. Gun control came up (Heller). My sister is opposed to firearm ownership.

Given:
Evil exists in the world and bad guys have guns.
It is unrealistic to get all of the guns out of the hands of bad guys, no matter how hard you try. If a bad guy wants a gun, he'll get one.
Sometimes bad guys with guns do bad things.

If (and it's a big if, but it happens) a bad guy came in here right now and wanted everyone's money and then decided money wasn't enough and decided to start shooting people,

Would you want to have a gun? Would you want me to have a gun? To stop a bad guy from killing mom and dad?

She got real quiet. "I don't know if I could kill someone," she said.

I told her two things: One: The bad guy knows that he can kill you. And everyone with you.
Two: If you are ever around me and you hear shooting, find me and get behind me, because I will be shooting back. Not just to protect myself, but to protect you, too.

Think about it.


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Looks like you gave Sister lots to think about! REckon she will start to see the light?
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Doc Hudson wrote:
pharmseller wrote:As much as I love my sister I was compelled to ask her a tough question. We were at a restaurant with a large group of family. Gun control came up (Heller). My sister is opposed to firearm ownership.

Given:
Evil exists in the world and bad guys have guns.
It is unrealistic to get all of the guns out of the hands of bad guys, no matter how hard you try. If a bad guy wants a gun, he'll get one.
Sometimes bad guys with guns do bad things.

If (and it's a big if, but it happens) a bad guy came in here right now and wanted everyone's money and then decided money wasn't enough and decided to start shooting people,

Would you want to have a gun? Would you want me to have a gun? To stop a bad guy from killing mom and dad?

She got real quiet. "I don't know if I could kill someone," she said.

I told her two things: One: The bad guy knows that he can kill you. And everyone with you.
Two: If you are ever around me and you hear shooting, find me and get behind me, because I will be shooting back. Not just to protect myself, but to protect you, too.

Think about it.


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Looks like you gave Sister lots to think about! REckon she will start to see the light?
The reply, "I don't know if I could kill someone", is a typical sheeple response.

If the situation warranted it I would kill someone threatening "me and mine" without hesitation.

Ya know, I always watch those movies/TV shows in disbelief when the bad guy, holding the hero's loved one at gunpoint, yells, "Drop the gun!"...the good guy drops the gun!

I've already, repeatedly, told the Lovely and Talented Miss Randi: "Under those circumstances FALL DOWN because I'm gonna shoot the bad guy!

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Marcia and I have a similar plan. She does a very convincing faint.

Before we married, we had a long discussion about the fact that I carry a gun virtually all the time. We discussed various scenarios, including being in a restaurant of business that was being robbed.

I told her if we were in a place being robbed, to keep her mouth shut and her eyes and ears open. As long as the bandits were only robbing the till and not hurting anyone, I'd simply watch in order to give police the best possible description. But if they started herding people into a backroom, searching customers, or ordering everyone down on the floor, she'd better kiss the carpet because I was about to open fire. I will not cooperate with actions that would possibly be a prelude to killing witnesses.
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