WAY WAY OT - Savage 10ML

[6pt-sika]

I was in my local dealers the other day and he had a Savage 10ML that had been sold and traded back but never fired .

Since you can use smokeless in this thing I was kinda intrested . I asked him to let me see it and he did !

I already have a Savage 210 bolt action rifled slug gun , and this ML felt pretty much the same .

Then I asked the fatefull question "how much?" and he told me . Then we looked up his cost for a new one and the price he gave me for this one was about $200 less then what he would have to give for a new one .

So needless to say I had him stick it in the back !

Now for my question ! Anybody had any dealings with this particular ML ?

[6pt-sika]

Here's the one I layed away , although the one I got does not have the Accu Trigger I think .



http://www.savagearms.com/10mlii.htm

[Old Ironsights]

LOts of guys here in Indiana like it since it shoots farther/harder than a Slug or all but the most esoteric wildcat "PCR" round.

Personally, I'd find a modern single-shot caseless ammunition rifle interesting if and whe it can use a .400+ BC .358 Accubond...

[6pt-sika]

LOts of guys here in Indiana like it since it shoots farther/harder than a Slug .

I'm not so sure if I agree with that or not !

I've had some pretty intresting findings with rifled slug guns shooting sabots lately . In both the 12 gauge and 20 gauge !

The Hornady and Winchester polymer tipped slugs for both gauges do wonders .

And this "thing" Hastings has come out with in the 20 gauge . The 3.5" magnum that shoots a 410 grain projectile at about 2100 FPS . This load is accurate but also slightly hard on the shoulder . And this is coming from someone who enjoys shooting a 375 H&H MAG and 416 REM MAG from time to time

[Old Ironsights]

LOts of guys here in Indiana like it since it shoots farther/harder than a Slug .

I'm not so sure if I agree with that or not !

I've had some pretty intresting findings with rifled slug guns shooting sabots lately . In both the 12 gauge and 20 gauge !

The Hornady and Winchester polymer tipped slugs for both gauges do wonders .

And this "thing" Hastings has come out with in the 20 gauge . The 3.5" magnum that shoots a 410 grain projectile at about 2100 FPS . This load is accurate but also slightly hard on the shoulder . And this is coming from someone who enjoys shooting a 375 H&H MAG and 416 REM MAG from time to time

Oh, I'm not knocking the new Super Sabots being offered, but the guys over on http://huntingindiana.proboards52.com/index.cgi? will give you some real world advice on the things you can do with a ML-10... and it most certainly can outperform a Rifled shotty with SST... that is one of the major arguments that got us the use of PistolCaliber Carbines for Deer season... When MLs shoot flatter/farther than Shotties, then there was no logical reason to prohibit .357/.44/.454 etc.

[Andrew]

6pt, I havn't had the chance to see a bolt-action slug-gun before. I myself have 3 bolt-action sewer pipes that I would like to try rifled slugs in one day. That 10ML sounds like a lot of fun especially if you can shoot smokeless powder. That would open the door for a lot of different load capabilites.

... When MLs shoot flatter/farther than Shotties, then there was no logical reason to prohibit .357/.44/.454 etc.

OI, you of all people should know that logic serves no purpose in the prohibition of anything.

[Old Ironsights]

6pt, I havn't had the chance to see a bolt-action slug-gun before. I myself have 3 bolt-action sewer pipes that I would like to try rifled slugs in one day. That 10ML sounds like a lot of fun especially if you can shoot smokeless powder. That would open the door for a lot of different load capabilites.

... When MLs shoot flatter/farther than Shotties, then there was no logical reason to prohibit .357/.44/.454 etc.

OI, you of all people should know that logic serves no purpose in the prohibition of anything.

Well, yeah. We proved that to the DNR and got the prohibition dumped. Still cant use .30-30, 38-55, 444, 450 or .45-70, but we can use just about anything else... so long as it fits into a Win 92 and is .357 or larger.

[6pt-sika]

6pt, I havn't had the chance to see a bolt-action slug-gun before. I myself have 3 bolt-action sewer pipes that I would like to try rifled slugs in one day. That 10ML sounds like a lot of fun especially if you can shoot smokeless powder. That would open the door for a lot of different load capabilites.

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Lets see I had a Brownign A Bolt 12 gauge fully rifled that I killed some deer with and then sold . I have a Savage Bolt Action 210 12 gauge fully rifled that I still kill deer with ! I had a Rem 870 that was fully rifled and scoped that shot well enough. But I never liked .

Then I have a TC Pro Hunter with a 12 gauge rifled slug barrel , and a pair of H&R 20 gauge Ultra Slu Hunter Deluxes and one of these has been reamed out by Hastings for the 3.5" 20 gaige shell !

As far as slugs are concerned . I can say good things about the Federals with the Barnes Expander slugs in both gauges . The Winchester Partiton Gold in both gauges , the Hornady SST in both gauges . The Winchester Supreme XP3 in the 12 gauge . All these have done well for me on animals and paper out to about 150-175 yards .

With my two Knight Disc Rifles (45 and 50) I have killed quite a few deer from 100-150 yards . But I didn't start with that until I chaged over to the Hornady SST sabot in both calibers . Before that I used the Nosler 44 - 250 grain Partition bullet .

Personally I think the limits for either the ML or slug gun should be kept on the low side of 175 yards . But thats just me !

[awp101]

I was in my local dealers the other day and he had a Savage 10ML that had been sold and traded back but never fired .

Since you can use smokeless in this thing I was kinda intrested .

Now you have my interest...you can use smokeless in these?

[6pt-sika]

When MLs shoot flatter/farther than Shotties, then there was no logical reason to prohibit .357/.44/.454 etc.

The county I live in Virginia allows whatever you want ! Rifle pistol etc ! As long as it is over 23 caliber .

One of the counties adjacent to me is a shotgun only county , and they DO NOT allow slugs . Buckshot only , however they allow ML's the entire season

[6pt-sika]

I was in my local dealers the other day and he had a Savage 10ML that had been sold and traded back but never fired .

Since you can use smokeless in this thing I was kinda intrested .

Now you have my interest...you can use smokeless in these?

Yes you can

That is my reason for buying the thing !

Some places they are not legal with smokeless , but this year they are legal in Virginia ! As I don't think smokeless was legal last season !

[Old Ironsights]

Here is a proven load... 42 grns of N110, short black mmp,fed 209a,250 grn XTP. About 2350 fps.

OR: 300 gr Barnes Original .458 bullet with a MMP orange sabot and 60 grs N120 at a MV of 2280 fps. Kinda works well at 200 and 300 yds....
http://randywakeman.com/rifilemanbarnessavage.htm

Savage Stuff:
http://huntingindiana.proboards52.com/i ... hread=6720
http://dougva.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=Savage

But like I said, I'll really get interested when someone comes out with a long .50/.358 sabot so you can shoot High BC Spitzers...

[6pt-sika]

Here is a proven load... 42 grns of N110, short black mmp,fed 209a,250 grn XTP. About 2350 fps.
http://dougva.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=Savage

Well after studing a bunch of loads I have decided to invest in a pound of N110 ! One of the loads I saw was for the Hornady 250 grain SST with 42 grains of N110 for a speed of 2300 FPS .

Also saw some loads using SR4759 I think I will have to try , since I already keep that powder on my shelf ! They also seem to reach 2300 FPS with this powder and the Hornady 250SST .

Might try some XMP5744 since I also keep a supply of that at all times . Though it seems the best hoped for speed with 5744 is about 2200-2250 with the Hornady 250SST .

Anyway I am at a great starting point I think !

[awp101]

OK, I'm still a tad lost...do you load the smokeless loose in the chamber or make a chamber adapter?

[Old Ironsights]

OK, I'm still a tad lost...do you load the smokeless loose in the chamber or make a chamber adapter?

It's a straight up 209 inline muzzle stuffer. Pour in powder, ram down Sabot-slug, insert 209 primer, go bang. It just gets to use certain types of smokeless.

[6pt-sika]

This is kinda screwed up

Here I am trying to get a ML going by using smokeless powder !

And on the other hand I still have my Shiloh Sharps 50-90 on order that I have all intentions of shooting BP in !!!!!!!!!!

[Andrew]

This is kinda screwed up

Here I am trying to get a ML going by using smokeless powder !

And on the other hand I still have my Shiloh Sharps 50-90 on order that I have all intentions of shooting BP in !!!!!!!!!!

I must be screwed up 'cause that makes perfect sense to me.

[Chuck 100 yd]

They are not legal in WA state. Must use BP or BP substitute and use origional style cap (if caplock) that fit over the nipple and are open to the elements ,and be a single shot of at least .40 cal. for Deer (inlines are ok in WA.)