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Political - great article by Dennis Prager

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Tutt, please accept my apologies in advance - but I couldn't resist!!! :wink:

Step 1 - pull the pin
Step 2 - throw the grenade
Step 3 - watch the fur fly!

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/Denn ... ohn_mccain

As you can imagine, given what I've been saying here in numerous posts, I was happy to see a columnist I admire also make the same point. We WILL elect a President this fall. It WILL be one of the candidates from the two major parties. I'm tired myself of voting for the lesser of two evils. That being said, I will pinch my nose and vote for McCain this fall for one reason – we KNOW Obama will nominate radical, leftist, activist judges – and that Congress will confirm them. With McCain there is at least some chance that he will keep his promise and nominate judges like Roberts and Alito – who have proven their worth many times already, especially in the Heller vs. DC decision last Thursday. I’d rather take a tiny chance than no chance at all, especially when my children’s future is at stake.

Yes, doing so doesn’t “send a message” to the GOP leadership, and practically guarantees we’ll be saddled with more wishy-washy candidates in the future. However, considering the damage Obama will do to this country, I am just not willing to bet my kids’ and future grandchildren’s freedoms on making a statement, or hoping the country comes around in 4 years.

For those who can’t access the link, here is the story:

Why I Support John McCain
Dennis Prager
Tuesday, July 01, 2008

Last week, a conservative magazine reported that I would not vote for John McCain for president. The magazine based its claim on a column I had written in May 2007 about why I could not support John McCain for the Republican presidential nomination.

The magazine was wrong. Though I did not support Sen. McCain in the Republican primaries, the moment he became the presumptive Republican candidate I endorsed him wholeheartedly for president of the United States. Having not been a supporter from the outset, perhaps my endorsement of John McCain will carry more weight among conservatives who are still undecided about whether to vote for John McCain.

My bottom line is this: The gulf between John McCain and conservatives is miniscule compared to the gulf between John McCain and Barack Obama. This is true regarding virtually every issue of significance to America. The America that a President Barack Obama would shape, with the help of a Democratic Congress and a liberal Supreme Court, would be very dissimilar from the America shaped by a President John McCain.

Conservatives who will not vote for McCain are well-intentioned utopians. They are comparing McCain to a consistently conservative candidate. The reality, however, is that McCain is not running against a consistently conservative candidate. He is running against a consistently left-wing candidate. And America cannot afford to have its first leftist president ever. It can afford liberal presidents -- such as Bill Clinton, or Jimmy Carter (who governed as a liberal but became a leftist after leaving the White House), or John F. Kennedy, or Lyndon Johnson, or Harry Truman -- i.e., all the Democrats who have been president since World War II. But the Democratic Party has moved well to the left of liberalism. And Barack Obama is at the left of that left-wing party.

Furthermore, given the strong possibility of a Democratic House, a Democratic Senate, and a liberal Supreme Court for decades to come, given the number of Supreme Court appointments a Democratic president will be able to make, an Obama victory will move America more radically leftward than ever in its history.

That is why the argument that an Obama administration will be so destructive that Americans will reject the left and then elect a real conservative to undo the damage done in an Obama presidency is deeply flawed.

First of all, other than impeachment, there is no way to undo Supreme Court appointments, two or three of which a President Obama would likely make. And given how active most liberal judges are, it won't matter much if the country has some conservative epiphany and then elects a Republican president and Congress. Because even if the Congress and the president will not pass liberal legislation, a liberal Supreme Court will. On almost any social issue that matters -- the right to bear arms, late-term abortion, the definition of marriage, capital punishment, and many others -- a liberal Supreme Court will rule on these issues, and there will be nothing that a post-Obama Republican president, even with a Republican congress, will be able to do about them.

Moreover, the argument that Americans will have a conservative epiphany after four years of an Obama presidency is predicated on America being greatly damaged by his policies. What kind of mindset welcomes such damage to the country it loves for the sake of potentially gaining politically after the damage is done? Is it, for example, really worth a considerably weakened economy (which Barack Obama's tax and other economic policies would likely lead to), with its widespread suffering and unforeseeable social and political consequences, just to -- hopefully -- get a conservative into the White House four or eight years later?
And the damage won't necessarily be undone. Even Ronald Reagan, the most popular conservative to ever serve as president, could not roll back most liberal creations. He never could get rid of the useless Department of Education, for example. Nor could a then-popular President George W. Bush do a thing about Social Security even when he had a Republican House and Senate. And how will Barack Obama's successor undo the damage done to Iraq, the Middle East, the War on Islamic Terror, and the credibility of America's assurances to allies once Iraq slides into chaos as a result of America's precipitous withdrawal from Iraq?
Therefore, as well meaning and sincere as many conservatives are, this mode of thinking -- let the country suffer under a left-wing president, Congress, and Supreme Court and then it will come to its conservative senses -- will likely lead to a downward spiral from which it is hard to see the country escaping for a generation, if it is lucky.

There is one person who can prevent this unhappy future -- John McCain.

He will not raise taxes, the last thing we should be doing in a weakened economy.
He will reduce government spending, and thereby prevent the state from controlling even more of American life.

He will ensure that America wins in Iraq. That will make one of the biggest and richest Arab states the freest of the Arab states. And it will hand Islamic terrorists the biggest defeat they have ever suffered. It will teach potential enemies not to attack America (whether Iraq did so directly is irrelevant to the point). And it will reassure America's allies around the world, many of whom, as in Iraq, risk their lives for America and liberty, that America will never abandon them.

He will appoint conservatives to the Supreme Court and to federal benches, thereby depriving the left of its most powerful weapon in reshaping America in its image.

He may attract enough Hispanic votes (while securing the borders) to prevent that critical constituency from identifying with the Democratic Party, something that would ensure left-wing victories for decades to come.

He will develop nuclear power, environmentalist (read leftist) opposition to which has been morally indefensible. We would all love to have a solar powered or wind powered country. However, on planet earth at this time, nuclear power may be the cleanest source of energy we have. That is why France, not heretofore known as politically conservative, relies on nuclear power for nearly 80 percent of its electricity.

However noble their intentions, conservatives who do not vote for John McCain will be morally complicit in what happens to America during an Obama presidency.

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BTW, this does have a direct tie-in to leverguns. If you think your lever-actions, or any other firearm you own, will be safe in the future "Obamanation", you are dillusional. The lever-guns will be declared illegal - it is only a matter of time... :evil:
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I am voting for McCain and I would hope that there is no split vote for those seeking Ron Paul or any other 3rd party candidate. I hope one day that a third party could have a chance, but its not this year and I pray that the 3rd party does not turn the tides.
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Mike, I'm joining you in that prayer. The only third party I want to see blow it for someone is the Greens with Nader blowing it for Obama!
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If elected, McCain will betray us all.

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FWiedner wrote:If elected, McCain will betray us all.

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Possibly. The problem is that Obama won't betray the leftist who elect him...
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FWiedner wrote:If elected, McCain will betray us all.

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If elected, Obama will kill us all. :(
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Please regard the following as "stern encouragement", as some of us may have experienced with our fathers or good friends! :D

With all due respect, it would seem that the folks "holding their noses" and voting McCain are constantly trying to convince themselves, that what they are doing is the best they can do, I know you all can do better, after all, you are armed.

Did our founding fathers "hold their noses" and put up with the Stamp Tax? No, they resisted.

Did they "hold their noses" and put up with the Tea Act? No, they resisted.

Did they "hold their noses" and put up with the Revenue Act? No, they resisted.

Did they "hold their noses" and put up with the Quartering Act? No, they resisted.

etc., etc., etc..

Did they fear one of the greatest empires of their time? Probably, but they resisted.

The odds weren't exactly in their favor, yet being the men they were, and knowing how any Royal regulations directly affected them, they pressed on.

Bottom line, they didn't settle for the "easy way out" or "the lesser of two evils".

I understand the McCain voters fear, but heck if it compares to the fear our founding fathers had to deal with. Of course if the McCain voter is happy with the way

things are now, their actions are understandable, they'll settle with what they perceive as a little less backsliding instead of more backsliding. Oh? Not happy? Mmmm...

I would suggest balancing every "pro McCain" argument read with early U.S. history, it's a hard truth all will benefit from, and if your honest with yourself, you'll see McCain as a Royal, or worse. Liberty, it sells itself once you understand it.

The founding fathers had their different parties, but those concerns were a far 2nd to their main goal, which was...? Complete the sentence correctly and receive a clue! :)

Thanks, Bunkloco
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bunklocoempire wrote: The founding fathers had their different parties, but those concerns were a far 2nd to their main goal, which was...? Complete the sentence correctly and receive a clue! :)

Thanks, Bunkloco
maximizing individual liberty, which they ended up doing by establishing a "Constitutional Federal Republic" (not a "democracy", as public education, when it bothers to touch on the subject, would have one believe). Each word has meaning - and a lot of it.

"Constitutional" because we are a nation of law, not of men. The laws are to be applied equally to all, and are enduring. We have not always perfectly adhered to this principle, but must always try.

"Federal", as in a federalist system of shared power with checks and balances. The individual supreme; the state the supreme governmental unit. Local, state and central ("federal") government all limited in scope, and with specific responsibilities. Executive, legislative and judicial branches in each to further diffuse power.

"Republic", as we have a representative form of government, using democratic principles (one man one vote), but constrained by the law. For example, regardless of what a majority may want or vote, it - nor the government - could ever remove the individual inherent rights of a law-abiding citizen. That was the intent and theory anyway - look how far we've strayed.

The founders didn't vote for continued English rule, which at the time had become tyranical. If alive today, do you think they would agree to not vote, or lodge a worthless protest vote, that elected the most tyranical candidate to office? I think not. Yes, they may have voted for revolution versus voting for McCain, but they would not have voted for less liberty in any form.

BTW, if you are supporting revolution, count me in. As TJ said, "The tree of liberty must be quenched from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots". We have over 70 years of damage done to our freedom that needs to be reversed - I'm all for doing it the hard way. As we say down here in SC, "if at first you don't secede, try try again!" :wink:
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We aren't ready for a Revolution yet.

I wish I could feel as confident as Prager. But I can't.

Not after McCain Feingold
Not after Keating 5
Not after Falling for Global Warming

He will not get a Conservative judge to the bench, no matter what Prager thinks. Without a total Majority in the Senate at best we would get more Kennedys.

Prager is right on what an Osnoba Obamination will be, but he is wrong about why it will happen - and it will happen eventually - and why it SHOULD happen now.

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace."

Thomas Paine said that. We still, barely, have the means to take back our government. More of the slow frog boil of "lesser evil" will only take away more and more of both our ability to act and knowledge of what we lost. We will be "passing on" the responsibility of fighting EVIL to our children, or grand children.

Right now, Liberty minded, Small Government Constitutionalists are the "kook fringe" that both the RINOs & Leftists would love to round up for "dangerous revolutionary talk". We have no power because The People don't believe us. The Slow Boil prevents them from feeling the heat. An Obamanation will make them feel the heat. It will make them notice... It isn't and won't be "enough" to just vote Republocrat to slow down the rate of increase. THEN the "revolution" can begin.

The Government doesn't need "fixing" it needs a full gut rehab. The Foundation and structure is good, but the rest is dirty lead paint, beat up goldenrod appliances and moldy olive shag carpet... and it needs to be done while there are still tools and workers willing to do the work themselves.

McCain only delays the inevitible.

Remember, the AWB v.2 was SPONSORED by the RINOs.

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