Ruger/Marlin 10mm ?

[Streetstar]

https://miamishooterssupply.com/product ... 10mm_auto/


No = not some stupid semi-auto PCC -- because do all you want -- with the LC carbines and such --- they are still lightyears behind the MP5 which is a 60 year old platform \\

-- the Ruger PC carbines OTOH -- not tactiool , kinda' homestead defense or plinking rigs with a takedown option -- pretty cool --- and i had one of the original PC-9's when they were new in 1997ish -- great guns - much like the under appreciated Mini 14 ------ but i was a poor college kid at the time and sometimes tuition and rent took the place of fun time carbines so i had to send my PC-9 down the road -- they were not takedowns then vut still pretty compact

but a levergun in 10mm?

How did they pull it off and i just posted a rant about "Nut N Fancy's" experience with a 38/357 Ruger/Marlin about a week or 2 ago

I love the idea because my favorite semi auto handgun caliber is 10mm --- but how is it going to chamber without a rim --- and not counting a custom rig with heavy massaging like one of the old guns chambered for .50 AE

Also --- isnt the 357 magnum significantly hotter than the 10? -- what is it doing? and if we cant get the 357 to cycle properly with all available loads from 38 SPL up to hot 180 grain Buffalo Boe 357's --- how is a semi-auto cartridge going to do

Love the concept but not sure if chocolate meeting peanut butter is going to hit right with this

I dig the S&W 610 but that needs moon clips to work ---- and --- the real problem with the .41 Magnum is the lack of internet and marketing presence because -- it trounces the 10 on every front --- and the 357 is there too in all -- ALL metrics except sectional density on the pill--
not discounting that importance


I have a questioning mind but will probably be pretty early on getting one of these anyway

[Streetstar]

You know

screw it -- the market will decide on this one

You guys remember about 15-20 years ago when it was all about "Short Magnums"

----- the industry sold a whol;e bunch of short magnums that were the ballistic equivalent of Jack 'O Connors 270 -- honestly didnt make any sense while cartridges like the 7mm STW -- which actually had some advantages -- failed outside of handloaders

Im not in marketing --- i still get excited about new cool stuff but also have a dubious eye on some things ------ i hope the Ruger / Marlin collab has figured out the riddle on making a semi-auto pistol cartridge work in a levergun -- but shouldnt they perfect the rimmed cartridges first and leave the fancy stuff to Doug Turnbull , Hamilton Bowen and Gary Reeder ? (i think Bowen just retired but 000 )

[Ray]

They must be serious as hornady has already designed a levergun specific load albeit short enough o.a.l. to work in others.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EKz2Nhg20 ... p=2AFFkAIB

supposedly the 9mm works correctly.....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SmDMW9-cU ... E4NzMgOW1t

[Galloway]

No blue no walnut non traditional length hard pass for me. If they want to do a ten why not do the best one and an important part of Marlin and Americas heritage the 38-40? I believe marlin named it

[kaschi]

The 1894 Trapper looks best with a straight stock. I don't get the manufacturers fascination with short, handy carbines sporting pistol grip stocks. If they made both styles, everyone would be happy. The 10MM chambering in the 1894 will hopefully pan out well. Awesome cartridge.

[AJMD429]

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The market for leverguns is expanding. That's not 'exciting' to some of us older 'traditionalists', but it is a GOOD thing, in that the younger generation doesn't have the same reverence for walnut and blued steel that we do. They want easy/no maintenance, and are more interested in function and practicality even when it 'looks funny'.

My prettiest levergun is my 375 Winchester Big Bore, my most expensive one is my Big Horn Armory 89, but it is still 'traditional looking', but my most-often USED leverguns are my Marlin 1894SS in 44 Mag (for whitetail hunting in good weather), and my Marlin 1894 CST in 357 Mag with Ranger Precision aluminum stock and forend, shake-awake red-dot optic, and pistol-laser/light. It is even 'funnier looking' than the 10mm Ruger/Marlin referenced above.

I like having a levergun I don't have to pamper if I take it out in the rain or drop it in a snowbank if I slip and fall. My pretty walnut-and-steel ones need the darned forend taken off after such 'adventures', or else later on the magazine tube or front of the receiver rusts. Then it isn't so pretty anymore...

I notice in the advertisement that they reference Marlin's "buckhorn rear sight" but it sure looks like the photo shows a receiver-mounted sight of some sort...



"...Versatile Sights: Equipped with adjustable Marble’s semi-buckhorn rear and brass bead front sight for precise aiming in various conditions..."

[AkRay]

A lot of Ruger/Marlin lever actions come with Skinner sights now. That rear sight looks like a Skinner.

[Streetstar]

There are almost as many opinions on proper stock style and finishes as there are levergunners As for me I actually like the looks of the Trapper length with a pistol grip stock --- and regarding the finish --- i almost think the grey/green laminate with stainless combo is classic in its own right -- kind of thought that ever since they introduced the XLR series 20ish years ago.

If the thing will run, it kind of fits the bill as a truck gun anyway - And with the tax on silencers reverting to zero in a couple of months (in the US ) , most of these are going to be wearing silencers , so with a non traditional cartridge the stainless and laminate makes sense rather than marketing a pretty one

[KWK]

Now that's tempting. It will easily match the 38-40 but have a slightly lower muzzle report.

It will headspace on the mouth, and I've never loaded for a semi-auto, so I don't know how finicky crimping would be.

[44shooter]

One plus I see is that this trapper will hold ten vs about eight for revolver cartridges, not a factor for hunting but a consideration for defense or plinking

[jkbrea]

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The market for leverguns is expanding. That's not 'exciting' to some of us older 'traditionalists', but it is a GOOD thing, in that the younger generation doesn't have the same reverence for walnut and blued steel that we do. They want easy/no maintenance, and are more interested in function and practicality even when it 'looks funny'.

My prettiest levergun is my 375 Winchester Big Bore, my most expensive one is my Big Horn Armory 89, but it is still 'traditional looking', but my most-often USED leverguns are my Marlin 1894SS in 44 Mag (for whitetail hunting in good weather), and my Marlin 1894 CST in 357 Mag with Ranger Precision aluminum stock and forend, shake-awake red-dot optic, and pistol-laser/light. It is even 'funnier looking' than the 10mm Ruger/Marlin referenced above.

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I notice in the advertisement that they reference Marlin's "buckhorn rear sight" but it sure looks like the photo shows a receiver-mounted sight of some sort...



"...Versatile Sights: Equipped with adjustable Marble’s semi-buckhorn rear and brass bead front sight for precise aiming in various conditions..."

Looks like a Skinner Express rear siight.

[Streetstar]

Now that's tempting. It will easily match the 38-40 but have a slightly lower muzzle report.

It will headspace on the mouth, and I've never loaded for a semi-auto, so I don't know how finicky crimping would be.

Also curious if the new ''hornady load will have a shorter case , -- like the bigger ones -- might complicate things if using longer cases?
IDK - im sure their engineers have thought about those contingencies

[piller]

The 10mm in the Hi Point is a semi, is ugly, and cheap, BUT it is reasonably accurate, soft shooting, and cheap. If you want a long gun in 10mm, try the Hi Point to see what a 10mm is like in a non-handgun platform. If I get a Levergun, I would get a .357 for the extra versatility. The debate of 10mm vs .357 is not likely to stop, but I am looking at the versatility in a Levergun.
Yes, I have put about 5 boxes through a Hi Point 1095 at targets. No jams, no FTF, no problems other than the fact that it is as ugly as 40 miles of washed out dirt road.

[Streetstar]

I like the 10 -- scratch that - i love the 10 ! - in semi-auto pistols that is Im interested if the new Ruger will feed it reliably, ----- Kinda' funny now a almost 45 year old cartridge is the new hotness , but you never know how the winds will blow (especially in Oklahoma)

The 10 is expensive to shoot for a plinker, probably weaker than a full house .357 out of a carbine for hunting -- and yes, has been used effectively however, i think Ted Nugent who is also a 10 fan -- tried to pull a Moose hunt stunt and had to empty the whole magazine into the poor critter -- lost a few degrees of respect for the guy after that


Doc AJ referenced a Buffalo Bore video in another post but i ran across this one -- the guy was referencing pistols as this was written in 2019

Even though I know this cartridge has been used successfully to stop many large animal (grizzly and moose) attacks, I feel you are walking on thin ice using it as such, so please practice, practice, practice

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l ... tail&p=571




“DANGEROUS GAME” 10MM AUTO - Mono-METAL
190 gr. Mono-Metal FN @ 1,200fps / ME 607 ft-lbs
20 Round Box

ITEM 21DG 190

Friends, as of today’s date, (07-13-19) we are releasing our new 10MM Auto Dangerous Game load. It features the new Lehigh Defense 190 gr., flat nose, Mono-Metal bullet. This bullet was designed by me, with the help of Lehigh Defense. There are a number of dynamics I do not like (they are not simple) in developing the 10MM DG cartridge, with its very limited case capacity, versus seating a very long-for-weight, Mono-Metal bullet into that small casing, while keeping pressures down, but velocities up. In spite of the difficulties with these internal ballistics’ dynamics, we were able to design a very capable 10MM load that utilizes a bullet designed to never expand or deform on mammals and thus penetrate deeply in a straight line as it encounters big bones, muscle, and liquids, etc. The testing and design work took months as I wanted this load to be nothing but right, right, right!

We were able to engineer the use of a flash suppressed powder into this load. This is important as most wild critters come out as darkness approaches and if your own muzzle flash blinds you with the first shot, you’ve just created a huge problem for yourself and the others you may be protecting.

This new DG load will do anything our famed Item 21C will do, but with less smoke and with much cleaner burning, due to the hard cast bullet/lube used in Item 21C. Our Item 21C and Item 21A have killed countless attacking/menacing grizzly and moose in AK. This new DG load will work the same way.

I hesitated to bring out a “Dangerous Game” load in 10MM as I do not see the 10MM cartridge as a truly dangerous game cartridge, but I do know it is a compromise cartridge for that purpose, (that comes in lightweight, high capacity, and small-sized pistols) that has been used many times, successfully for that purpose. We had so many requests and even pre-orders that we decided to bring this load to the public. Lehigh Defense was patient and helpful in making many samples for my testing, at no charge. We now have a very impressive 10MM DG load.

Below, you’ll find our test velocities, fired from real-world pistols, NOT LABORATORY TEST BARRELS!

➤1,258 fps -- Custom 1911 Long Slide -- 6-inch
➤1,213 fps -- Custom 1911 -- 5-inch
➤1,172 fps -- Glock model 40 -- 6-inch
➤1,106 fps -- Colt Delta Elite circa 1987 -- 5-inch
➤1,111 fps -- Glock model 20 -- 4.6-inch

After much load development testing with the 10MM cartridge over the last 35 years, I very much see why folks like it as an outdoors protection cartridge… polymer-framed pistols are lightweight, high capacity, accurate and affordable and if the ammo is designed properly, a very deep-penetrating bullet can be used that will break large bones and destroy the internal organs hidden behind those bones. Even though I know this cartridge has been used successfully to stop many large animal (grizzly and moose) attacks, I feel you are walking on thin ice using it as such, so please practice, practice, practice at moving targets and in low light, so you’ll be prepared should that need ever arise. Please read this article:

TRAIL and CAMP GUNS

Remember that it is the human threat you’ll find around trailheads or public camping and fishing areas that are more dangerous than the human habituated bear. This load will kill humans too, but if you have to shoot a human miscreant in order to protect others, be cognizant that this bullet will go through several humans with one shot if you lined them up correctly, so be careful of the over-penetration issue, should you choose to shoot humans. While we are on this subject, this load would be good for penetrating soft barriers such as stick frame walls, wooden doors, windshields, sofas or many other items a bad guy may have taken cover behind.

This ammo was designed for humans to protect humans. Use with discretion and precision and go into the great wilds with confidence. Good shooting, and God bless.

Tim Sundles

[AJMD429]

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