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just the facts M'am . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw5ldWr9QD0

the early part about the intentional overdoses in italy is chilling . . .

the rest of it is a wholesale indictment of the entire prefabricated "pandemic"
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Dr Bailey discusses "socialist distancing", uh, "anti-social distancing", er,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf6yBeXmzCo
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then there are some actual doctors who aren't too scared to tell the truth . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgP_Au5RZVw

really? we are being continuously lied to by the political classes ? like the nih and cdc, etc. how can this be?
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here are some year old stats:

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/coro ... &r=US&IR=T

what's changed? since then? looking . . . , yeah, here it is:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ a wee bit of slideruling will give the net kill rate.

0.0220768068154807 kill rate. made up with vastly inflated numbers, so this 2.2% is overly pessimistic. like the liar class intends it to be.
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What amazes me is that during the covid scare every death was covid related. Not once did you see anyone saying the people dying had extenuating circumstances, or other medical issues. Yet now we're seeing deaths due to taking the vaccine, and they can't stop telling us the deaths were from people having other health issues! I even had a friend whose father died of heart failure, and his death certificate said, "covid related". She contacted the hospital, and demanded a change in the cause of death, and they dug their heels in. When she threatened legal action, and her attorney contacted the hospital they immediately changed the cause of death.
It seems we have a double standard where they wanted us to believe nobody was dying from regular flu, heart disease, cancer, etc., etc., if they tested positive for covid. Yet no matter what the cause is today, if they got the shot within a week of dying the cause was some underlying health issue, and not the vaccine.
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TMI, I guess. perhaps the info overload has worked its sedative effect. IDK. Come quickly please Jesus!
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Right. Early in the pandemic we're told hydroxychloroquine was a cure but was being suppressed to make Trump look bad. Now we're told it was actually used excessively and managed to kill all the oldsters.

Her argument on using the sum of years of life lost is sound, but it will be many years before we know if it's true. If deaths have simply been moved forward a half year as claimed, the big bump in mortality this past year will be balanced by a drop in the next year. Effects of lockdowns causing delayed diagnosis and treatments may also become apparent, as deaths then are not routinely ascribed to Covid. Time will tell. Right now, this gal hasn't proven anything, other than she's rather cute and has an interesting accent.
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well, if you heard what she said a year ago, and look at current world kill rate, which is inflated by bogus u.s. figures, then she was correct, that chinaflu most closely resembles the flu. and she is bang on about the masking being useless for preventing transmission of a virus. so that's pretty good info in my book. and she revealed that the italian fiasco was the INTENTIONAL OVERDOSING of italian senior citizens, basically exterminating them, which was misrepresented to Americans by the lying consortium who prevented perhaps hundreds of thousands of citizens from SURVIVING THE CHINAFLU. a detail worth repeating so that it won't be 'accidentally' "overlooked". know what i mean?

anything and everything that contradicts the /govt/medic/propagandist output has a VERY HIGH PROBABILITY OF BEING TRUE AND CORRECT. they, the collective they, has NO MORAL AUTHORITY, ZILCH, NONE, ZERO based on their public record of constant lies and deception and intentionaly scaring citizens poopless with constant deception, misinformation, disinformation, and purely wicked evil lies.

plenty of folks buy into the output of the liar consortium, because they cannot discern the difference between intentional wickedness and intentional goodness.
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The key to hydroxychloroquine is proper dosage of the drug. Just like any other drug, it can cause serious issues if administered by those unsure of how much to use. It was FDA approved for use in treating malaria, lupus and arthritis, so I doubt it's dangerous when properly administered. You could be overdosed on numerous drugs if those dosing you don't follow the rules.
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marlinman93 wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:28 pm
The key to hydroxychloroquine is proper dosage of the drug. Just like any other drug, it can cause serious issues if administered by those unsure of how much to use. It was FDA approved for use in treating malaria, lupus and arthritis, so I doubt it's dangerous when properly administered. You could be overdosed on numerous drugs if those dosing you don't follow the rules.
point is that there is video from italy showing extreme overdoses being given to helpless hospital patients. they were assassinated. it's in one of the videos i linked. it's intentional. to keep the death rate up and keep the panic level up so the people would accept any and every unlawful dictate from every unlawful dictator.
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I personally believe that threads like this one belong in the "Politics" section of this forum. I come to places like this to enjoy discussions about firearms and to get away from politics and conspiracy theories. The owners of this forum provide a Politics section for a reason. Please use it.

Since this thread is here, however, I will provide some links to data on the total number US deaths over the past few years. I did several hours of analysis for someone who wondered about the casket shortage a few months ago and have updated the numbers with what is available today (3/19/2021). The data is from the CDC, so you can check my math if you like. The links to the raw data are provided at the end of this post.

Whether or not you believe that Covid was a major cause of deaths last year, a lot more people in the US died in 2020 than in previous years. In fact, about half a million more, based on death certificates. This is the first time in history more than 3 million people have died in a single year in our country. If there is no other explanation for all these deaths, we should be very, very worried.

US Total Annual Deaths for 2020 (provisional data) = 3,365,000***
US Total Annual Deaths for 2019 = 2,854,838*
Increased number of deaths over 2019 = 510,162

This compares to an increase of 15,633 deaths from 2019 to 2018 and 25,207 for 2018 to 2017. ***** In other words, 510,000 additional deaths is not a "normal" increase.

That is big increase in deaths from year-to-year, but some have claimed that it is simply due to increased population. It is true that the number of people in US has increased over the year, so the number of deaths would naturally be expected to increase somewhat. In order to get a true year-to-year comparison, the population increase must be taken into account. To do this, you need to calculate the "Crude Death Rate" for 2020, which is the Total Deaths / Total US Population (mid-year) for a given year. This is generally expressed as "Deaths per 100,000 population." I used the estimated population number from the Census Bureau's "popclock" calculator** for July 1, 2020 since July 1 is the day typically used by places like the CDC.

US Population estimation: 07/01/2000 = 329,484,123**

Death Rate = Total Deaths/Total Population
Death Rate 2020= 1,021.3 per 100,000 (3,365,000 deaths /329,484,123 people)
Death Rate 2019= 869.7 per 100,000 (listed on the CDC's 2019 "Deaths and Mortality" page)*
Change = 151.6 more deaths per 100,000 people in 2020.

Year-to-year Increase 2020 to 2019= (Change in Death Rate 2020-2019)/(Death Rate 2019) = 151.6/ 869.7 = 17%
This is not a typical increase. For comparison, the 2019 to 2018 increase was less than 1% (0.22%) as was the 2018 to 2017 increase (0.46%). Feel free to check the math.

By the way, it is easy to lie with a phrase like "CDC says....", when no link to the raw data is given. If no links are provided for verification, don't believe the information. I know a number of good people who unwittingly spread false info because they they were fooled like this. I have included links to the data that I used so you may confirm my numbers. I used the "Provisional Death Counts" available on the CDC site*** (as of 3/19/2021) for the total 2020 deaths, since the "final" numbers won't be released for a few months. For this reason, the final numbers may change slightly, but likely not more than a few percent.

* https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
** https://www.census.gov/popclock/
*** https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm
**** It is important to note that there is a difference between "Crude Death Rate" and "Age-Adjusted Death Rate" when looking at Mortality data.
***** https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr ... 13-508.pdf (Deaths: Final Data for 2018),
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr ... 09-508.pdf (Deaths: Final Data for 2017)
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Sometimes things get in the general discussion because they’re kind of half general and half political. These days the Democrats seem to want to make everything political so unfortunately that’s reflected in this forum.

Some of this is from another thread here...

What I find disturbing is the deceptive marketing and pressure used to promote the vaccine over all other treatment AND prevention options, as well as distort and exaggerate the morbidity and mortality of the virus itself. As a rule of thumb, when someone has to lie and distort to you to make their case, it should prompt skepticism; letting their lies put you in a state of fear causes your decisions to be less rational. Far better to be a skeptic, take in alternative views, analyze and verify each ‘side’ as they critique each other, and make your own decision. I cringe at how many are failing to do that, although I understand you really have to go out of your way and DIG to find much of the info; expecting Dr. Fauci and the CDC to give solid information on CoVid is like like expecting Sen. Feinstein to discuss both sides of the ‘gun control’ debate completely, yet I see many conservatives and gun owners who should know better make that mistake to their own peril.

As for the CDC, as gun owners we have all seen that they don’t hesitate to not only distort information, but completely FABRICATE it, when it comes to ‘gun control’ (see Section XIII in this Law Review article: https://guncite.com/journals/tennmed.html if you doubt that). With so many more lobbying dollars and national and international political pressures out there when it comes to healthcare, it would be naïve to think the CDC is free from bias on CoVid.

As gun owners, we see the poor decisions the public makes when they only hear government and big tech discuss issues like “gun violence”, and we see so clearly that there are better answers (and less innocent lives lost) - believe me, as one who lives and breathes healthcare, the deception and fraud and irrationality with CoVid and the vaccines and other treatments is even worse...!

I get so disgusted seeing REAL LIVES lost because of the politicization of CoVid. I’ve had to watch patients die because their physician was caving to his employer’s pressure to only use the treatment that will result in the favored corporate funding or government grant, or steer away from ‘controversy’...it is infuriating, and that is why I sometimes have trouble not shouting from the rooftops the things I’ve seen. :oops:

I do share them, and my opinions on CoVid prevention and treatment, with my patients in the privacy of the exam room, where the Oath of Hippocrates reigns supreme, and I try to keep them safe and well, and I share as much as I can here, but sometimes fighting the endless stream of fear-mongering propaganda and misinformation is like trying to swim up Niagara Falls... :|

Thankfully people like Dr Mobeen and Dr Kory, and even belatedly Dr Campbell, are on the internet giving solid snd documented material out, pretty much without a political agenda.

There ARE many preventative and treatment strategies for CoVid, some known from past SARS epidemics (CoVid is a SARS variant), and some only discovered in the past few months. Some of the vaccines MAY be an appropriate part of a complete plan-of-treatment for SOME patients, but when used instead of those other things it is sickening, because we clearly get poorer results, and more lives lost. :(
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AJMD, you are clearly not in the "Covid is a hoax" camp since you mention the agony of watching patients die from the disease. I have no doubt that there have been many mistakes made about the prevention and treatment of Covid-19. Indeed, I would be interested to read your thoughts about it. The reason that I spent the time to find sources to quantify the increase in US deaths over the past year is that I have seen too many posts falsely claiming that the CDC's numbers show otherwise. There appears to be many people who think that either Covid-19 does not exist, or that if it does, it has had no impact on the Death Rate in the US. If that were so, we should all be terrified by the mysterious unknown force that killed hundreds of thousands of our countrymen last year.

I find the video from Dr. Bailey moderately amusing since she talks about how many deaths have been falsely ascribed to Covid-19, when she is from New Zealand, a country that has only claimed 26 deaths from the virus.* I have family ties to that country and its culture is radically different from that of the US. The concept of making personal sacrifices for the "greater good of your fellow countrymen" is much stronger there than here. Partly for this reason, Dr. Bailey's country has been one of the most successful in the world to prevent the spread of Covid and avoid its related deaths. New Zealand's situation is simply not comparable that that of the US, where many believe that enduring a minor inconvenience to protect the vulnerable is a sign of the end-of-days. The chance of a resident of New Zealand (population approx 5 million**) dying of Covid is less than 1/200th that of a resident US. This means that some of Dr. Bailey's recommendations make perfect sense for HER country, but not for ours. The incidence of the disease is much, much lower there.

The blips in the "excess deaths" data that she mentions for European countries are generally 50 or fewer, if you look at the charts. Statistically insignificant. This is orders of magnitudes less than what we saw here in the US where the number of excess deaths is in the hundreds of thousands. Then she goes on to mention overdoses of hydroxychloroquine as a major cause of deaths, but states that the problem had stopped by the end of May. Somehow, she does not mention that more than 90% of deaths attributed to Covid occurred AFTER that period, meaning that, even if true, the percentage of overdose deaths would be very, very small. She also strongly implies that most of those who die from Covid would have died from other causes within a year anyway. The sheer number of excess deaths seen here in the United States makes this assertion ridiculous. I am certain that AJMD's personal experience is that the unfortunate victims probably would have otherwise lasted more than a year.

AJMD429, I truly hope that you know that the guncite.com article you cited is 27 years old and that the CDC has written virtually nothing about firearms for the last quarter century. The passing of the Dickey amendment of 1996 saw to that. Implying that bad behavior from more than 25 years ago means that the exact same behavior would be exhibited today seems very much like the "cancel culture" that is ruining peoples lives for mistakes make long ago. Heck, even former Representative Dickey regretted the effect that his amendment had ( https://www.npr.org/2015/10/09/44709866 ... e-research).


* https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... w-zealand/
** https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/new-zeal ... -5-million
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Fess wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:57 pm
I personally believe that threads like this one belong in the "Politics" section of this forum. I come to places like this to enjoy discussions about firearms and to get away from politics and conspiracy theories. The owners of this forum provide a Politics section for a reason. Please use it.

Since this thread is here, however, I will provide some links to data on the total number US deaths over the past few years. I did several hours of analysis for someone who wondered about the casket shortage a few months ago and have updated the numbers with what is available today (3/19/2021). The data is from the CDC, so you can check my math if you like. The links to the raw data are provided at the end of this post.

Whether or not you believe that Covid was a major cause of deaths last year, a lot more people in the US died in 2020 than in previous years. In fact, about half a million more, based on death certificates. This is the first time in history more than 3 million people have died in a single year in our country. If there is no other explanation for all these deaths, we should be very, very worried.

US Total Annual Deaths for 2020 (provisional data) = 3,365,000***
US Total Annual Deaths for 2019 = 2,854,838*
Increased number of deaths over 2019 = 510,162

This compares to an increase of 15,633 deaths from 2019 to 2018 and 25,207 for 2018 to 2017. ***** In other words, 510,000 additional deaths is not a "normal" increase.

That is big increase in deaths from year-to-year, but some have claimed that it is simply due to increased population. It is true that the number of people in US has increased over the year, so the number of deaths would naturally be expected to increase somewhat. In order to get a true year-to-year comparison, the population increase must be taken into account. To do this, you need to calculate the "Crude Death Rate" for 2020, which is the Total Deaths / Total US Population (mid-year) for a given year. This is generally expressed as "Deaths per 100,000 population." I used the estimated population number from the Census Bureau's "popclock" calculator** for July 1, 2020 since July 1 is the day typically used by places like the CDC.

US Population estimation: 07/01/2000 = 329,484,123**

Death Rate = Total Deaths/Total Population
Death Rate 2020= 1,021.3 per 100,000 (3,365,000 deaths /329,484,123 people)
Death Rate 2019= 869.7 per 100,000 (listed on the CDC's 2019 "Deaths and Mortality" page)*
Change = 151.6 more deaths per 100,000 people in 2020.

Year-to-year Increase 2020 to 2019= (Change in Death Rate 2020-2019)/(Death Rate 2019) = 151.6/ 869.7 = 17%
This is not a typical increase. For comparison, the 2019 to 2018 increase was less than 1% (0.22%) as was the 2018 to 2017 increase (0.46%). Feel free to check the math.

By the way, it is easy to lie with a phrase like "CDC says....", when no link to the raw data is given. If no links are provided for verification, don't believe the information. I know a number of good people who unwittingly spread false info because they they were fooled like this. I have included links to the data that I used so you may confirm my numbers. I used the "Provisional Death Counts" available on the CDC site*** (as of 3/19/2021) for the total 2020 deaths, since the "final" numbers won't be released for a few months. For this reason, the final numbers may change slightly, but likely not more than a few percent.

* https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
** https://www.census.gov/popclock/
*** https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm
**** It is important to note that there is a difference between "Crude Death Rate" and "Age-Adjusted Death Rate" when looking at Mortality data.
***** https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr ... 13-508.pdf (Deaths: Final Data for 2018),
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr ... 09-508.pdf (Deaths: Final Data for 2017)
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One of the reasons that I finally joined this forum (after 15 or so years of occasional visits) was that there seemed to be an attempt to separate firearms stuff from the conspiracy-based politics that have become a major feature on many other sites. I hope to come to places like this to relax and hopefully learn something, not raise my blood pressure. It appears that what I consider "politics" is considered "general information" by some on this site, and if that is true, I apologize. I try to take a forum's rules seriously and when I saw this at the top of the page, I apparently misunderstood:

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Golly Fess, fess up. how do you really feel? Lets see, you are 20 posts into your involvement here, and already you want to run the show.

If Paco is upset at me, or if one of the Admins takes a sudden interest in our ongoing 'misplaced' conversations then well and good. Most of the people who communicate with each other in this forum have known each other for years. and years and years. I'm certain you can figure out how NOT to push the button for the topics you wish to evade. I'm sure an Admin could assist you with this.
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Fess wrote:
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One of the reasons that I finally joined this forum (after 15 or so years of occasional visits) was that there seemed to be an attempt to separate firearms stuff from the conspiracy-based politics that have become a major feature on many other sites. I hope to come to places like this to relax and hopefully learn something, not raise my blood pressure. It appears that what I consider "politics" is considered "general information" by some on this site, and if that is true, I apologize. I try to take a forum's rules seriously and when I saw this at the top of the page, I apparently misunderstood:

"Forum rules
Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.

Please post political post in the new Politics forum."
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I did not mean to raise such a stink, but it is a sore point for me. Some of the forums that I have frequented for years have turned away from their original topics, like firearms and essentially become places where people bemoan the state of the world, complain that everybody is lying and gripe that everything is going down the tubes. Unfortunately, I need to spend a significant portion of my waking hours immobilized, so I really prefer to distract myself by finding interesting things to read that don't continually remind me that the world is full of misery and unpleasantness.

I genuinely do appreciate forums like this one that make an effort to separate the political topics from the primary intended topic like leverguns. Many do not. Recently, another firearms-related forum that I frequent had gotten to the point where fewer than half of the posts were actually about firearms, reloading, or ammo.

This particular thread caught me on a bad day (after 30 or so injections into my back). I DO normally just scroll by topics that I don't want to read, but when I saw the topic title "Dr. Bailey discusses excess deaths", I thought it was going to be an interesting thread about how "excess deaths" were quantified and evaluated by places like the CDC or EUROMOMO. It turned out to be another "don't believe the experts, they are lying" video. Although this particular video is pretty mild as those things go, I viewed it soon after completing analysis on false information presented in a widely circulated article. The article claimed to use actual CDC data to prove that Covid had caused virtually no deaths in our country, but it turned out the numbers were fake. It was easy to show that the actual CDC data was different than what was presented, but I felt it important to show others how to find the information so they could verify the results themselves. That is why I happened to have so many links to actual CDC data at my fingertips.
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Fess wrote:
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I did not mean to raise such a stink, but it is a sore point for me. Some of the forums that I have frequented for years have turned away from their original topics, like firearms and essentially become places where people bemoan the state of the world, complain that everybody is lying and gripe that everything is going down the tubes. Unfortunately, I need to spend a significant portion of my waking hours immobilized, so I really prefer to distract myself by finding interesting things to read that don't continually remind me that the world is full of misery and unpleasantness.

I genuinely do appreciate forums like this one that make an effort to separate the political topics from the primary intended topic like leverguns. Many do not. Recently, another firearms-related forum that I frequent had gotten to the point where fewer than half of the posts were actually about firearms, reloading, or ammo.

This particular thread caught me on a bad day (after 30 or so injections into my back). I DO normally just scroll by topics that I don't want to read, but when I saw the topic title "Dr. Bailey discusses excess deaths", I thought it was going to be an interesting thread about how "excess deaths" were quantified and evaluated by places like the CDC or EUROMOMO. It turned out to be another "don't believe the experts, they are lying" video. Although this particular video is pretty mild as those things go, I viewed it soon after completing analysis on false information presented in a widely circulated article. The article claimed to use actual CDC data to prove that Covid had caused virtually no deaths in our country, but it turned out the numbers were fake. It was easy to show that the actual CDC data was different than what was presented, but I felt it important to show others how to find the information so they could verify the results themselves. That is why I happened to have so many links to actual CDC data at my fingertips.
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Those who appreciate the wonderful and relaxing hobby of ‘firearms’ yet who want to avoid ‘politics’ are going to find themselves without their hobby shortly.

Should the rest of us who have been willing to engage in the unpleasantries if ‘politics’ without the support of our fellow ‘hobbyists’ be angry at those gun owners who won’t immerse in the yucky stuff known as ‘politics’ with us...?

It IS certainly upsetting to see out nation follow the path of places like New Zealand, so eager to virtue-signal their enlightenment that they cave on the most foundational of human rights - that of self, and community, protection. It seems altruistic to give up ‘convenience for sportsmen’ in order to ‘reduce gun violence’, but when the end result is genocide a generation or so later, where is the ‘virtue’...?

So that is why, although there are times I’ve had a very stressful day myself, I don’t feel good, and I really just want to read a nice story about someone hunting Whitetail with a restored vintage 375 Winchester...and I run into a ‘political’ post, I don’t complain. I either

a) skip over it (and feel guilty sometimes for skirting one of the fundamental Civic Duties - that of political participation to preserve liberty our ancestors literally gave their lives for), or

b) take twenty minutes or so to read, get informed, validate whether what I’ve read is ‘real’, and act on it. Then I read the story about the 375 Win, knowing that I’ve PAID some of the price for that luxury of a ‘hobby’, that 90% of the world’s citizens throughout history never had, by putting up with exposure to ‘politics’... :roll:

Firearms throughout history have NOT been for a ‘hobby’ or for leisure or relaxation; they were vital tools for both obtaining food, and protecting against gangs of criminals and oppressive governments. The luxury of a firearms hobby comes at a STEEP price, and those who think exposure to an ‘annoying’ post, or having to write a legislator, or (God forbid) attend a city council meeting, or spend money contributing to GOA or SAF instead of buying that new vernier sight, need reminded that many of far less fortunate than ourselves sacrificed FAR more so we could have the luxury of spending leisure time on a ‘gun forum’, and even the additional irony of complaining if they were exposed to a ‘political’ post...

And as to the idea that the CDC would somehow be fundamentally different 27 years after their distorting and fabricating on the issue of ‘fun violence’ is pretty naïve, because the fundamental nature of governments is to attract people who crave power over others, and those people typically use an ends-justify-the-means approach to do that. That is why the United States had to have a constitution whose main purpose was to RESTRICT the power of government. If you actually go by the the founding philosophy of our constitution, it’s unlikely that there would be a CDC, or if there were, it would certainly be prohibited from the ridiculous assertion that firearms regulation somehow can be legitimately pulled under the umbrella of ‘public health’.
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AJMD429 wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 1:54 pm
Those who appreciate the wonderful and relaxing hobby of ‘firearms’ yet who want to avoid ‘politics’ are going to find themselves without their hobby shortly.

Should the rest of us who have been willing to engage in the unpleasantries if ‘politics’ without the support of our fellow ‘hobbyists’ be angry at those gun owners who won’t immerse in the yucky stuff known as ‘politics’ with us...?

It IS certainly upsetting to see out nation follow the path of places like New Zealand, so eager to virtue-signal their enlightenment that they cave on the most foundational of human rights - that of self, and community, protection. It seems altruistic to give up ‘convenience for sportsmen’ in order to ‘reduce gun violence’, but when the end result is genocide a generation or so later, where is the ‘virtue’...?

So that is why, although there are times I’ve had a very stressful day myself, I don’t feel good, and I really just want to read a nice story about someone hunting Whitetail with a restored vintage 375 Winchester...and I run into a ‘political’ post, I don’t complain. I either

a) skip over it (and feel guilty sometimes for skirting one of the fundamental Civic Duties - that of political participation to preserve liberty our ancestors literally gave their lives for), or

b) take twenty minutes or so to read, get informed, validate whether what I’ve read is ‘real’, and act on it. Then I read the story about the 375 Win, knowing that I’ve PAID some of the price for that luxury of a ‘hobby’, that 90% of the world’s citizens throughout history never had, by putting up with exposure to ‘politics’... :roll:

The luxury of a firearms hobby comes at a STEEP price, and those who think exposure to an ‘annoying’ post, or having to write a legislator, or (God forbid) attend a city council meeting, or spend money contributing to GOA or SAF instead of buying that new vernier sight, need reminded that many of far less fortunate than ourselves sacrificed FAR more so we could have the luxury of spending leisure time on a ‘gun forum’, and even the additional irony of complaining if they were exposed to a ‘political’ post...
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Not always; there was a ‘mask-psycho’ at the grocery store just now, accosting everyone in sight about improper mask use, and prefacing each attack with “I’m a LPN, and....”

She was making a nuisance of herself and people she hadn’t accosted yet had already heard her lecture and were just rolling their eyes. A few said some unkind things, but mostly they pretended to accept her (inaccurate for the most part) advice.

When she got to me and told me of her educational credentials and how that endowed her with Supreme Mask Knowledge, I just replied “Well ma’am, I’ve been a physician for three decades, and prior to med school and residency I spent six years getting a pharmacy degree and graduating number one in my class, and in MY opinion, masking in stores is nothing but useless virtue-signaling, and may even INCREASE transmission risk, but you’ll notice I’m not telling YOU what to do, now am I...?”

I am not into ‘upsmanship’ (although the humorous book “the Complete Upsman” is a great read), but it’s kind of like the braggart who tries bullying and impressing everyone at the pool hall and happens upon a really good player....’well if you asked for it, we’re gonna have some fun for sure”... :D

I don’t think she was really that upset, until several people nearby started clapping at what I said... :?

We all need a verbal smack-down once in awhile to keep us in our place; I've been the smackee in many cases, and deserved it at least half the time... :lol:
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