WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

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WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

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I’m sure I remember posts, or maybe an article, about the Win94 being issued to protect our forestry woods during WW2. These posts would be from a few years ago, I believe from when Paco was still active here...

But I haven’t been able to find it... Does anyone else remember this or can you point me in the right direction? I’ll keep searching, but any help would be appreciated.
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Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

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Canada issued Model 94s to it's Pacific Coast Militia Rangers.

From: https://www.rockislandauction.com/detai ... ine-30-wcf

"Manufactured circa 1943. This carbine was one of approximately 3,000 Model 94s issued to the Canadian Department of Defense to be used by the Pacific Coast Militia Rangers (PCMR) stationed on Canada's west coast. All of the approximately 3,000 Model 94 carbines were in the 1,300,000 serial number range. The PCMR was considered by many observers as Canada's finest militia. This carbine is equipped with the standard PCMR canvas sling which is marked with the Canadian PCMR broad arrow stamp (broad arrow inside of a "C"). The sling is attached with an added barrel band and sling swivel on the forearm and a sling swivel on the stock. The lower left of the receiver and the left side of the stock are also marked with the broad arrow. The left rear of the barrel is marked with the standard address, trademark, model and caliber marking with the Winchester oval proof on top of the barrel and receiver at the breech. The upper tang is marked with the three-line maker/trademark/Made in U.S.A. marking, and the serial number is on the underside of the receiver. Standard hooded ramped blade front sight and adjustable rear buckhorn sight. Blue finish and mounted with a smooth walnut forearm and straight grip stock with a serrated steel buttplate"

More here on the PCMR: https://wapenkamer.nl/wp-content/upload ... angers.pdf
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From the website above here is a photo....why do you think they had the second barrel band...???
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AJMD429 wrote:
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From the website above here is a photo....why do you think they had the second barrel band...???
For the sling Doc.....it could be what a do-it-your-selfer did or maybe what the militia did. There's several ways of putting on a sling on a carbine but it's probably what they decided on.-----006
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On a side-note they use the term “militia” differently...

“... Pacific Coast Militia Rangers ...”
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Sixgun wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:27 pm
AJMD429 wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:47 pm
From the website above here is a photo....why do you think they had the second barrel band...???
For the sling Doc.....it could be what a do-it-your-selfer did or maybe what the militia did. There's several ways of putting on a sling on a carbine but it's probably what they decided on.-----006
A simple expedient to attach an SMLE sling using what I think is the SMLE forward swivel.

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It's suggested at the link below that members of the PCMR may have had to pay for the attachment.
http://www.nambuworld.com/pcmr.htm

Good article here: file:///Users/lisa/Downloads/628-Article%20Text-2717-1-10-20100430.pdf
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Re: WW2 use of Win94/30-30 in forests?

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The cartridge would certainly do the job and the rifle was handy and reliable.
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In heavy timber, the .30-30 is certainly effective. On anything.
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The Canadian information is neat, I’m not sure if I had read that before.

Does anyone remember our military (or whoever) issuing M94’s to protect our forests in WW2? Or WW1 if I’m confused about which war?
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As I remember, during WW1 a unit was formed here in the Pacific North West to guard shipments of spruce wood needed for the fledging aircraft industry. That unit was armed with Model 94's since Springfield's and Enfield's had to go to Europe. Here on the Olympic Peninsula we have a trail named 'The Spruce Rail Road Trail' and some remnants remain as the Olympic Discovery Trail.
I'll see if I can dig up the data on the unit but it's been 50+ years!
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The United States government purchased 1,800 commercial Model 1894s with 50,000 .30-30 cartridges during World War I. These rifles in the 835800 to 852500 serial number range were marked atop the receiver ring with a flaming bomb and "U.S." The rifles were intended for United States Army Signal Corps personnel stationed in the Pacific Northwest to prevent interruption of spruce timber harvesting for aircraft production. The rifles were sold as military surplus after the war.

From an article published in the American Rifleman by a gent named Canfield: Canfield, Bruce N. 19th Century Military Winchesters March 2001 American Rifleman p.77

It was about this same time that Winchester made a run of '94's for the French Army, fwiw.

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Very cool!
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Thanks Bob.

On another forum, old family history has come up with at least one Win 94 at WW2 Pearl Harbor...
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I failed to address the original question, I am not aware of a unit in the PNW armed with Model 94's during WW2; my original data on the WW1 use came when I was OIC of the Ft. Lewis Military Museum not from the 1977 A.R. article.
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Have a look at C&Rsenal on you tube.

They have a series on winchester lever actions in WW1 including 1894 and some 1892s used by the Royal Navy
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Scrumbag wrote:
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https://youtu.be/l9kPggzvYtg
Great video, thanks for posting.. 8)
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Bob,
I and (I’m sure) others, truly enjoy and appreciate the information you, and others, have shared here. Please, don’t worry at all about the WW2 part of this. And thank you for your service.

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gamekeeper wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:36 pm
Scrumbag wrote:
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https://youtu.be/l9kPggzvYtg
Great video, thanks for posting.. 8)
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Thank You John, it was a good way to 'decompress' coming back from SE Asia and let us not forget that Winchester also supplied Model 95's to Czarist Russia. I wish I had bought one back when they hit the surplus market!
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